So an SRD is out of the window, to respect Ken...

I agree with the Gremlin with Tenure; a setting is the way to go. You could move away from "Kindred" and more into "Archetypes" - so you have "The Bruiser" (st and con x2, IQ 1/2), "The scientist" (IQ x 2, Con 1/2), "The Diplomat" etc. etc.

Everyone would be human, but have radically different attributes.

You could then have three Types - "Warrior" (no super powers, but gets bonuses to combat), "Wizard" (heavy super-power usage, but limited combat skills) and "Half-and-Half" (some super powers, some skills).

Represent super powers with spells? Some could be judiciously chosen from the lists, but you would only need a list of a few - supers rarely learn new powers.

I am kind of just making it up here. But a setting is a better idea than a change in the rules. MSPE might have good rules for "pulp" or "modern" settings, too.



I would argue that T&T itself does not present a setting - there a very vague "low fantasy" to it, but nothing specific. I haven't studied 7th ed in detail, but that was certainly my experience in 5th.

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To my mind, I would say that with 30+ Kindred you wouldn't even have to list the modifiers themselves. Just use what's already present - "The Bruiser" - use Dwarf Kin modifiers; "The Scientist" - use Elf Kin modifiers; "The Diplomat" - use Leprechaun Kin modifiers (Note- not suitable for aggressive negotiations.); etc.


I'm not sure I'd want to separate out skills vs. powers in that manner. I'd look at it more from a perspective that they all have powers. The Type would simply narrow down what kind of powers - Warrior: Physical; Wizard: Mental; Rogue: Wildcard. The wildcard type powers would be those that don't fit into the previous two.


That's along the lines that I was thinking. Many of the spells could simply be renamed, i.e. TTYF could become Psionic Blast. You may have to play with the stats of the spell some, I'm not sure there would be any power ups. You either use the ability or not.


True, I was simply thinking of Ken's Dragon Continent.

Oh, and we'd have to rename MR - Mook Rating

All good ideas, as usual

I personally love the idea of a MR for bad guys. Thugs with low MR, supervillains with higher and super powers they can use (be it as spells, or need an SR to activate it) to make combat quick and easy, which is the bane of play by post, and why I think the T&T system is better than D&D and others (because someone usually always scores damage, even if its only spite and a few points).

The Super types have been done in a few games, like Mutants and Masterminds, and were d**n useful to my mind. That particular game has a crunch level in character creation that has me rereading the rulebook every time. Once in actual play things are fine, but Character Creation is a slow painful process for me in that.

I would think something to determine a starting level for the character, as supers characters start powerful and don't worry too much about levelling (unless you're playing City of Heroes, which unfortunately is a total treadmill to my mind). If you were playing a group game, the level should be rolled once and all characters within a level either side so no one is outclassed. (e.g. roll level 6 on 2d6 and everyone falls within 5-7th level). Maybe some means to equalise, so that unpowered characters gets stackloads of skills to make up for being less powerful.

Stat multipliers based on archetype, the higher the stat and power levels the less you get to spend on equipment and skills. Superman is kind of bare on the skills front aside from Journalism in the comics. Nowhere near the super computer brain he used to be, and not rich either. Batman has nothing in the way of powers but skills coming out of his ears and he sleeps on a bed made of money every day (because at night he's beating bad guys to a pulp with his fists).

I think there would need to be quite a bit of changing to adapt fantasy T&T to supers, but keeping the basics - stats, combat, saving rolls should only need a tweak rather than rewrite. It'll be the weekend before I get time to sit down and look at this seriously but I'll take a 5.0 rulebook to work and see if I can make a few notes for people to chew over, pull a face and spit out (or maybe swallow if it's ok). The goals (for me) would be fast to knock out a character, combat that doesn't bog down and maybe some kind of adventure generator as seen back in Superhero 2044 (which was otherwise unplayable as far as I could tell. Most of it was barely legible in any case).

Another thing - I like the idea of amateur art. There are so many glossy 'look at me!' supers games we could never compete with them, but I think it would be part of the appeal to have different styles submitted. That's a lonnnnnnnnng way down the road and may not happen, but I'd love to see a poll system where people could vote which picture to use.

High scores vs powers is an interesting discussion in itself, but I think it is linked to another, more basic one: all (good) supers games define a scale of power. The precursor of this might be Marvel Super Heroes (I might be wrong, people will correct me). For me, it is one of the biggest hurdles in the way of a T&T supers game, given the nature of the game. Even if you remove leveling, or attributes increase, an overall attribute scale should be defined upfront. It will help compare Spider-Man to Galactus, and Batman to Darkseid...

Now I agree there are many different ways this could be achieved!

Honestly, I have no idea. I get the feeling that there's more interest in writing a whole new set of rules than for creating a new setting based on the existing rules. I'll support the latter but not the former. We have enough official rules sets as it is. I would like to see new settings based on an existing edition thereby pushing the game in a new direction while simultaneously supporting the existing game/copyright.