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Post by jongjungbu on Sept 26, 2009 23:27:00 GMT -5
Okay, let's put aside that I'm living in a cupboard Hogscape built me under the stairs due to my T&T collection habits consuming all the room in my house.... ;D I'm trying to find some info on some reissues, for collecting purposes. Specifically, at this moment, about Beyond the Silvered Pane. (I may have questions later and I'd just continue this thread but I have to spread out the purchases if I want to eat haha). So it looks like Silvered Pane had a 1978 original, 1980 reissue, and of course it popped up again later in a 1986 Corgi duo with Captif d'Yvoire. My question is, what did the original look like, and is it very rare. I have the colored cover 8.5"x11" version and I have the Corgi pocket-size. So I'm wondering what the 1978 one looked like, is it any different, and so on. Anybody know? Did you have it?
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Post by machfront on Sept 27, 2009 6:46:07 GMT -5
I know only that it's comb-bound as all the Fourth Edition-era stuff is and that it has a different cover illustration. Never seen one in person before. I've wondered if most of those had the exact same interior art as the later printings did or not (like Naked Doom for example).
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Post by jongjungbu on Sept 27, 2009 14:02:52 GMT -5
Yeah I wonder these things myself. Aside from the cover, what the interior looks like. And that's where the collector side of me would want it. Not a must have, but when available. Mostly for those older ones like that. I can't seem to find any reissues of solos after Blade came along and printed color cover ones. Example, I never saw other versions of Sea of Mystery. But I'm sure a previous one must have existed, someone enlighten me heheh. But I only have ever had or seen the color cover of that.
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Post by machfront on Sept 27, 2009 21:58:54 GMT -5
Nope. No earlier Sea of Mystery, to take your example, because it was released after the Blade portion of FBI started publishing, and by then, they'd gone full-color and saddle-stitching. The older the solo, the more older versions there are. I think there are some really early Deathtrap Equalizers that are stapled along the side edge. Then after was a comb-bound printing for Fourth and then then (maybe) one of the monochrome-covered saddle stitched (such as Sword For Hire was only released as) and then the full color. Dargon's Dungeon had a number of printings, three that were different. The first (few?) were comb-bound and with a really ugly and amateurish cover illustration. A later printing or two were also comb-bound, but had vastly improved the art. Then, of course, came the Blade print. Take a look at Noble Knight's selection of T&T stuff and also at the FBI T&T sub-forum at Tome of Treasures and you'll see some examples of them all.
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Post by Hogscape on Sept 28, 2009 2:29:49 GMT -5
My copy of Silvered Pane was a staple bound book. I no longer have it... :-(
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Sept 28, 2009 2:42:34 GMT -5
I must admit I bought a copy of "Sword for Hire" awhile back just because it was an early edition with the plastic spiral binding, even though I already had it in a Corgi two-pack.
The old spiral binding actually works great for solos, stays open to the right page a peach!
Besides it features "Six-Pack" one of my favorite T&T icons. ;D
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Post by jongjungbu on Sept 28, 2009 9:02:26 GMT -5
Nope. No earlier Sea of Mystery, to take your example, because it was released after the Blade portion of FBI started publishing, and by then, they'd gone full-color and saddle-stitching. The older the solo, the more older versions there are. I think there are some really early Deathtrap Equalizers that are stapled along the side edge. Then after was a comb-bound printing for Fourth and then then (maybe) one of the monochrome-covered saddle stitched (such as Sword For Hire was only released as) and then the full color. Dargon's Dungeon had a number of printings, three that were different. The first (few?) were comb-bound and with a really ugly and amateurish cover illustration. A later printing or two were also comb-bound, but had vastly improved the art. Then, of course, came the Blade print. Take a look at Noble Knight's selection of T&T stuff and also at the FBI T&T sub-forum at Tome of Treasures and you'll see some examples of them all. I must exalt thee for those 2 links! That has exactly the information I wanted to know! Wow some of those prices at Noble Knight. Makes me glad I have some of those already. $20-$30 for a 1st Ed City of Terrors? Whew! Lemme go hug mine and say "I'll never let you go" LOL.
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Post by machfront on Sept 29, 2009 4:53:09 GMT -5
No problem at all jongjungbu, and thanks for the Exalt. Yeah, Noble Knight can be pretty darn pricey. But, make no mistake, they are all kinds of awesome. When you order from them, you know that you'll be getting exactly what you ordered in exactly the condition you expect, and likely in less than four days. Aaron has super customer service, ships fast and his packing is first rate. Never once over many, many orders in the past four years have I been disappointed. What's more, you see how he has the printings listed on some of the solos? Well, one time about a year ago, I emailed him, asking which exact printings he had of the 5th ed. rulebooks. He pulled 'em all out and listed them off to me. He then apologized it wasn't mentioned and said he'd try to remind his people to put that info on the listings. The next time I went back to the site, all of them indeed were, and the adventures as well. I was surprised to say the least. Above and beyond, I tell ya.
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Post by jongjungbu on Sept 29, 2009 8:58:13 GMT -5
Glad to hear. I ordered a few things from them as soon as I saw the link and browsed their T&T collection. So I guess I'll be seeing them soon. (Already got a shipping email from them) Yeah I do like it says exactly which printing it is. I'm glad you got them to do that. That combined with looking at the photos/info in that Tome of Treasures sub-forum has helped me decide exactly what I want to go for next or I am missing. Like you said, I realize now that some of them had only one issue or only one re-printing and I already had them. Let's me scratch that off the list.
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Post by ragnorakk on Sept 29, 2009 19:59:10 GMT -5
The copy of Beyond the Silvered Pane I have is comb-bound, yellow front and back, says "3rd printing February 1979" - never seen another edition, so I can't compare the art between versions - but the hobbits of 23E are awesome!
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Post by jongjungbu on Oct 23, 2009 12:07:25 GMT -5
Nope. No earlier Sea of Mystery, to take your example, because it was released after the Blade portion of FBI started publishing, and by then, they'd gone full-color and saddle-stitching. The older the solo, the more older versions there are. I think there are some really early Deathtrap Equalizers that are stapled along the side edge. Then after was a comb-bound printing for Fourth and then then (maybe) one of the monochrome-covered saddle stitched (such as Sword For Hire was only released as) and then the full color. Dargon's Dungeon had a number of printings, three that were different. The first (few?) were comb-bound and with a really ugly and amateurish cover illustration. A later printing or two were also comb-bound, but had vastly improved the art. Then, of course, came the Blade print. Take a look at Noble Knight's selection of T&T stuff and also at the FBI T&T sub-forum at Tome of Treasures and you'll see some examples of them all. So, help me out here if you would. Looking at the limited info on those two sites and [Machfront's] comment about Sword for Hire was only released in monochrome cover saddle-stitched, I am wondering which I have and would like one of the other prints too. My Sword for Hire is green, saddle-stitched 1979. No mention of reissues or reprints or editions in the cover pages. I see there are these pale colored printings up on Noble Knight (at least that is their stock photo anyway). Similar to the color of that one City of Terrors and of Weirdworld. Are the pale printings a later version than. Tome of Treasures and BGG both say the 6th printing was the last. I see a 5th printing on Noble Knight that I was considering buying.
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Post by machfront on Oct 23, 2009 16:58:07 GMT -5
Green? As in printed on green paper? Then it must be a UK printing. Is it smaller than the usual size of the FBI pritings? I mean, I don't know having only seen the UK printings circa '79 if Buffalo Castle and Dungeon of the Bear in my UK 2nd printing box, so I've always assumed the other UK printing of that era were of the same size... I know many of them (all?) were printed the same way as BC is in the box set. That being on colored paper.
As far as I know, SFH went through many printings but all were saddle-stitched and all had that same two/three-tone cover. I'd completely forgotten until you mentioned, that I have indeed seen the UK colored-paper printing as well.
I'd guess those solos went through a single or at most two runs. The previous printings were most definitely small, as they matched the UK 1st ed. and were from the same distribution company as printed UK 1st. The next to appear in the UK were, of course, the Corgi printings.
I've no real idea, but I'd guess it wasn't until the very late 80s or into the 90s that the UK started seeing the actual FBI T&T boxed set/rulebook and solos. *shrug*
EDIT - I see that SFH was indeed released comb-bound as well. I'd venture a guess it was only for one printing...
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Post by jongjungbu on Oct 23, 2009 22:04:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a small size (not 8.5"x11") and printed on green colored paper. I'm wondering if those later printings then that are not green are the full-sized ones like FBI usually has. I might buy it then. At the moment, I have the small sized green one (UK I guess you say), and of course I have the Corgi version. Thanks, mach.
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Post by machfront on Oct 24, 2009 5:33:59 GMT -5
Yep, the one's with that sorta monochrome cover are the FBI ones. Standard size. I doubt the regular FBI Sword For Hire was ever printed in the UK, since it seemed to have gone out of print before most of the others did (much like the others that are relatively rare). The green one, being the small booklet is definitely the UK version meant to match with the UK 2nd ed. (same as the States' 5th ed.) as the "Orange box" was a small thing with a shunk-down 5th ed. as a little saddle-stitched booklet. (I have it and they didn't even reformat it for the much smaller size, so the print is tiny and the illustrations suffer from lack of clarity as they've been shrunk down with nothing done to compensate for such.) And no problem.
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Post by jongjungbu on Oct 24, 2009 5:37:57 GMT -5
Oh yeah, an exalt (when the timer is up), as you have made this crystal clear. I will definitely buy one of the other printings then. I agree about the tiny print. That is exactly why I was looking to buy another. Sure, I'll have 3 Sword for Hires after that, but I know I won't be the only one here that does. :-P
It's interesting how they chose to do things that way in the UK. That seems to keep popping up in posts here on the Bridge.
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