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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Mar 8, 2013 15:34:02 GMT -5
Seriously He posted inappropriate crap. That's what he did. C'mon, let's not demonize the guy for an off-coloured thread. I don't know, maybe my time at DF gave me a thicker skin... Did you follow any of the links were he talks about how he started the "Girls are Wimps" thread with the sole intention of starting a fight. Did you notice he was using a quote from Deva in his tags mocking her on the other boards until he got caught and whisked it out like a coward hopping he wouldn't get called on it. Did you see the way that even when it got abusive and derogatory he made no move to rectify the damage he had done or admit he was trolling. Did you notice that anytime he was called on it he would hide behind "Hey its just a joke" and vilify his detractors as "Holier that Thous" and then told his main target ( Who he clearly states is his target in his own d**n thread! ) they should take some time off the board and mock them with a weepy little smiley. What part of deflecting responsibility, backhanded insults, continued escalation of hostilities, spreading the subject over multiple boards ( without giving the whole story ), intentional provocation of a flame war and singling out specific members for ridicule is not "abusive passive-agressive BULL S-H-I-T!" P.S. You want to get rid of something get rid of smileys! Slapping a smiley on a post doesn't make it any less offensive. Oh and I didn't say anything specific because I know tensions are high, but seriously please don't roll your eyes at me. It does nothing to help and where I come from its kind of insulting, no offense intended by this statement just made me feel uncomfortable.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Mar 8, 2013 15:40:04 GMT -5
Thank you Prof,
I think that is the best step taken so far in this whole sorry affair.
Edit: Just for the record my above post was written before Prof's removal of the "Girls are Wimps" thread, but I believe and stand behind the statements I've made throughout this debacle.
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Post by doctorx on Mar 8, 2013 16:10:47 GMT -5
I've just made an executive decision and the offending 'Girls are Wimps' thread has been removed, not just removed from sight but every single post deleted. At the moment, that's the best I can offer everyone without exceeding my authority further. Thank you, prof.
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Post by apn on Mar 8, 2013 16:13:47 GMT -5
Every now and again something like this will flare up, even on a chilled out message board like this one. Not easy for the mods - it's not like they are nigh on full time like those over at RPG.net (though less said of that the better). All I'd add is that any regular and valued members of the forum who decide to leave the board are making this place worse off, and the 'Troll' wins (no pun intended). I'd suggest take some time, come back, forget about the flare up, because in the grand scheme of things this is a faint blip on what otherwise is a nice place to hang out and gas about T&T.
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Post by mahrundl on Mar 8, 2013 16:22:30 GMT -5
I'm going to have to give up on sleeping - none of this thread existed 10 hours ago...
Devadasi, my apologies. I had intended to delete the 'Girls are wimps' thread yesterday, but was a little pressed for time and couldn't locate it at that point. I thought that perhaps ProfGremlin had deleted it, and didn't follow up. So I am sorry that I contributed to your distress.
From the preceding paragraph, it should be obvious that I am in complete agreement with Prof on the removal of that thread.
Skathros, nobody won here, least of all Devadasi. She got treated in a condescending fashion by a poster, and got flak from others when she stood up for herself. This forum has almost always been better than that, and it saddens me greatly to see that sort of thing happen here. I suspect that you may be correct about having developed a thicker skin at Dragonsfoot - I'm not a member there, but I've read quite a lot of posts - but this isn't Dragonsfoot. Some of what was posted was considerably more than just 'off-coloured', and was, in my view as a moderator here, completely inappropriate by Trollbridge standards.
More later - like Prof, I have to disappear for a bit.
And please - let's all keep it civil.
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Post by skathros on Mar 8, 2013 16:26:48 GMT -5
It does nothing to help and where I come from its kind of insulting, no offense intended by this statement just made me feel uncomfortable. It wasn't meant to be insulting, it was meant to be dismissive. Your whole post was set up to make a mountain out of a mole-hill. A clique of three or four user-names have decided to attribute some sort of nefarious intent to someone's dumb thread. It was a stupid and inappropriate thread and that's all it really is. People are going to leave the 'bridge because someone started a stupid thread? Really? <I would normally insert rolley-eyes here...but just for you...I wont>
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Post by skathros on Mar 8, 2013 16:34:16 GMT -5
Because mahrundl is one of the nicest mods on any of the boards I frequent, I'll bow out of this one so that any sleep lost won't be on my account I'll save my venom for T&T Deluxe (if it doesn't measure up to 5E standards!).
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Mar 8, 2013 16:49:29 GMT -5
I tried really hard to be sympathetic Skathros, but I don't think your trying at all.
I've said what I honestly felt from the start and even though mountains of evidence came out discrediting Gufnork it means nothing to you, its all Deva or Zanshin or Gaptooth or Trrebmahl or me or any of the other Bridge members that stood up for themselves fault.
I honestly can't say what going on with you, but this is not our fault and I'm tired of being told it is. We are good productive, contributing members of the board and to T&T in general and we should not have to put up with this.
P.S. <I would normally insert rolley-eyes here...but just for you...I wont> aaaaannnnnd thats just hysterically childish. ;D
Edit: And I see you bowed out while I was composing this.
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Post by skathros on Mar 8, 2013 17:05:47 GMT -5
I honestly can't say what going on with you, but this is not our fault and I'm tired of being told it is. We are good productive, contributing members of the board and to T&T in general and we should not have to put up with this. I didn't say it was your fault, did I? I did say mountain/mole-hill. Actually, it was just a joke, but then again, everyone's really hyper sensitive, so I probably shouldn't have posted that. Might of been better with a smiley at the end to show I was joking, but then again, people seem to have problems with smiley too. Wow, this is one hard board to post on without offending someone.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Mar 8, 2013 17:14:44 GMT -5
Yep, you tell a bunch of people they are being cliquish and overly sensitive about something that clearly distresses them and they disagree with you. What is the world coming to.
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Post by skathros on Mar 8, 2013 17:36:23 GMT -5
How about we just agree to disagree then.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Mar 8, 2013 17:40:02 GMT -5
Done.
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Post by Vin Ahrr Vin on Mar 8, 2013 18:21:36 GMT -5
Why would you edit out the heated discussion in "Life on the Trollbridge" and LEAVE the "girls are Wimps" thread, which started this whole mess in the first place? ( on purpose I might add) Is that thread "legitimately about gaming?" It's simple. I haven't been here for several weeks, I logged in at 4 AM or so to find a bunch of ugly stuff on the boards, I spent 15 minutes cleaning up a lot of the chaff, and I saw reference to the "girls" thread but didn't have the time to find it. As soon as I get around to it, out it goes as well. Frankly, when I get posts like these I get tempted to just flush the whole board. Please don't tell me how to run my board. If you have an issue, PM me about it and I'll try to address the issue. Filling up another thread with arguing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. (This isn't just aimed at devadasi; he just happens to be in my crosshairs at the moment.) EDIT: Thank you to my moderator team for purging the "girls" thread. In retrospect I wish I had taken the extra 5-10 minutes to find it this morning, and perhaps this thread wouldn't have gotten so heated. Apologies to anyone who I have offended by not doing a good job as an admin.
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Post by Vin Ahrr Vin on Mar 8, 2013 18:29:09 GMT -5
Did you follow any of the links were he talks about how he started the "Girls are Wimps" thread with the sole intention of starting a fight. TKD, I will confess that I had a hard time with the decision on which posts to nuke and which posts not to nuke. I did follow your links and your posts were (in my opinion) the most valuable of the non-gaming posts in the thread. I nearly left them behind because they were proof of the intent of trolling here, but felt that keeping those posts would either (a) make no sense because they wouldn't fit the rest of the thread, or (b) cause someone to claim that I was "taking sides" on the issue. Thus, my solution was to kill all of the posts which I deemed to be non-gaming in nature. This forum has been around for something like 7 years now. Hopefully folks have learned over this time that I take my admin duties seriously and in general I leave questionable posts in place rather than delete them. The number of times I've had to delete non-SPAM stuff in 7 years is almost nill.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Mar 8, 2013 18:55:46 GMT -5
The "Girls are Wimps" thread is gone, although the damage it has done is not.
I feel that removing our posts before the instigating thread is what made there deletion so provocative.
I don't care what happens to my comments about what Gufnork did ( I really don't I thought we were all done with this ). However the removal of our comments combined with the removal of the smite button and the "Girls are Wimps" thread continued existence simply made it look like you were indeed taking sides.
I don't think thats hard for anyone to see.
I've worked very hard to make the TrollBridge as fun and informative a T&T resources that I can as a member.
Yesterday it was all done with and we moved forward with two great new sticky threads and what I felt was a greater appreciation of the community we have.
I had a couple of new spells & monsters I wanted to put up and a nifty idea for a "Random Henchman" generation table. I was looking forward to seeing what everyone thought.
Instead this is what I did today, somehow I think the board would have been happier with silly henchmen and some spells.
P.S. If anyone involved on this side of the argument needs to take the fall for it let it be me, I fought as hard as anyone else and I don't think Deva or any of the others merits it more than I do.
Take care Y'all
Edit: P.S. Apparently I'm an idiot that can't even spell "Care" anymore. Edited for spelling.
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