dungeondevil
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Post by dungeondevil on Jan 7, 2024 8:34:02 GMT -5
Is there an official product line for a Science-Fiction genre based on either T&T or MSPE?
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Jan 7, 2024 8:45:50 GMT -5
Is there an official product line for a Science-Fiction genre based on either T&T or MSPE? Technically? I can think of 2... Gamma-trollworld and New Khazan. But they may not be official. And then there's Starfaring. Not exactly T&T, but definitely related closely. Oh, and there's a supers ruleset.
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Post by houndle on Jan 7, 2024 9:28:33 GMT -5
Monsters! Monsters! also has an increasing emphasis on sci-fi; the 2.7 edition rules have more information about the Curators and future-humans, including a small selection of sci-fi weapons and gadgets.
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mosker
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Post by mosker on Jan 7, 2024 12:48:52 GMT -5
Is there an official product line for a Science-Fiction genre based on either T&T or MSPE? Technically? I can think of 2... Gamma-trollworld and New Khazan. But they may not be official. And then there's Starfaring. Not exactly T&T, but definitely related closely. Oh, and there's a supers ruleset. New Khazan wasn't a Flying Buffalo Product, but was licensed from Rick Loomis. Roy Cram wrote for it (and I did a bit in Trollszines). www.perytonpublishing.com/newkhazan.htmSpeaking of TZ, the last two have a much crunchier approach to sci-fi...
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jan 7, 2024 20:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by stefanj on Jan 7, 2024 20:30:48 GMT -5
A bit of lost history that will *likely* remain lost:
Mike Stackpole was working on an official T&T science fiction spinoff called "Web." I was at a long-ago convention panel where Mike talked about the game.
The character types were to be based on the civilization types in the PBM game "Starweb." There would be many uplifted-animal species tailored for roles in the society.
Mike still has the manuscript. I suppose whether it sees the lights of day depends on Rebellion Unplugged's plans.
One hang-up for ongoing plans: Figuring out who to contact for the rights to Fred Saberhagan's "Berserkers.
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Post by bigjackbrass on Jan 8, 2024 2:34:44 GMT -5
I was so excited when I heard that Mike had found the manuscript, but then he explained the difficulties in ever publishing it… and that was back in the FBI days.
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Post by houndle on Jan 8, 2024 3:09:49 GMT -5
If it exists only as an unpublished manuscript, is there any reason it could not be "converted" to Monsters! Monsters! ? The basic mechanics are not too different and Ken et al seem very supportive of third party variants.
If it is closely tied to Saberhagen's work that is another problem of course. But then it wouldn't really be a generic sci-fi variant.
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dungeondevil
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Post by dungeondevil on Jan 8, 2024 4:35:36 GMT -5
There would be many uplifted-animal species tailored for roles in the society. Hm. Sounds like Traveller's Aslan (space-kitties) and Vargr (astro-pups).
When I want aliens in my scifi RPGs they had better be weird-with-a-beard. More like the Hivers of Classic Traveller or Star Frontiers' Dralasites (sentient amoeboids).
I've got Starfaring, but it was little more than a small booklet, underdeveloped, and very jokey (far more than KSA's standard humour levels).
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Jan 10, 2024 7:20:33 GMT -5
There would be many uplifted-animal species tailored for roles in the society. Hm. Sounds like Traveller's Aslan (space-kitties) and Vargr (astro-pups). Note that the only uplift major race in Traveller are the Vargr; the Aslan are not, in setting, cats. They are cat-like, but entirely native to Kusyu.
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dungeondevil
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Post by dungeondevil on Jan 12, 2024 12:05:16 GMT -5
Hm. Sounds like Traveller's Aslan (space-kitties) and Vargr (astro-pups). Note that the only uplift major race in Traveller are the Vargr; the Aslan are not, in setting, cats. They are cat-like, but entirely native to Kusyu. Thanks. On another note, I wonder if Runequest's ducks were uplifted. Time to play some uplifted Bunnies & Burrows!
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Post by alkazar on Jan 12, 2024 15:53:33 GMT -5
I was playing alien isolation a couple of years back and it got me wondering how difficult it would be to create a "Space Marine vs xenomorph/Bughunt" rpg using MSPE as a base. I even found a site with lots of Scifi paper minis.
But I've never gotten around to trying it.
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mosker
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Post by mosker on Jan 12, 2024 16:13:30 GMT -5
I was playing alien isolation a couple of years back and it got me wondering how difficult it would be to create a "Space Marine vs xenomorph/Bughunt" rpg using MSPE as a base. I even found a site with lots of Scifi paper minis. But I've never gotten around to trying it. Fantasy (denotative sense) campaigns: Predators in Ximuria. Xenomorphs in Zimrala. (and a crossover adventure where someone in Zenith City is trying to open portals to both places...)
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jan 12, 2024 19:12:47 GMT -5
I now want to see a Predator riding a leopard!
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Jan 12, 2024 20:08:38 GMT -5
Note that the only uplift major race in Traveller are the Vargr; the Aslan are not, in setting, cats. They are cat-like, but entirely native to Kusyu. Thanks. On another note, I wonder if Runequest's ducks were uplifted. Time to play some uplifted Bunnies & Burrows! Per Greg Stafford, no. The ducks used to be humans of a particular tribe, cursed to be sentient flightless waterfowl. Most fantasy race bending isn't uplift, but downpush... enslavement-susceptible, or cursed, or both. Bunnies and Burrows isn't uplifts, either. It's just a straight anthropomorphizing. The B&B bunnies are not the results of NIMH... Much fiction has anthropomorphic analogues without them being uplifted or downpushed. GW has their unique spectrum... Trolls, Orcs, Hobgoblins, Goblins, and Snotlings are at most a single genus... in different sizes. And the Gretchen were just space goblins. Giants, Ogres, Men, Halflings all seem to be the same genus, too... The elves have factions... The Dwarves and Gnomes seem to be one genus... but none of them have, to my knowledge, cohesive setting ascriptions of creation myths culturally concordant.
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