order99
7th Level Troll
Coffee-fueled Carrion That Walks Like a Man
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Post by order99 on May 21, 2008 20:59:42 GMT -5
Well, negative buoyancy might be offset by the surface area of the wings-Dwarves would most likely float if about 25-35% of thier body mass was in wing form.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on May 21, 2008 21:47:42 GMT -5
 Ok, somehow the very thought of fairy-winged dwarves made my brain freeze up like an overheated air-conditioner. Of course your right about the surface area, but the image is just WRONG. Warhammers, chainmail, huge beards and binge drinking until your eyes bleed just do not belong in the same place in my mind as little victorian style butterfly winged, mushroom sitting, giggly fairies. Although a dwarf with fairy wings would be a riot trying to prove his manliness. ;D
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Post by mahrundl on May 22, 2008 7:04:25 GMT -5
By the way, does it bother anyone else that 7E Fairies are nearly five times as dense as the densest material known to science? (5E Fairies have a density somewhere between aluminum and bronze...) Not at all. It means that their heads make wonderful sling stones. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by dwayanu on May 22, 2008 10:35:07 GMT -5
Howzabout a butterfly-winged leaping gnome who smokes stogies and calls everyone "Bub?"
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Post by mahrundl on May 22, 2008 16:03:21 GMT -5
Wol-fairy-ne? *snikt*  |
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horsa
2nd Level Troll
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Post by horsa on May 22, 2008 19:17:43 GMT -5
Fairies wear boots! I saw it with my own two eyes.
Actually the trick to playing fairies is to play to their strengths. Fairies are small, nimble, charismatic, and magical beings.
A fairy who is dumb enough to get involved in a stand up melee deserves to become paste.
Fairies should use spells, trickery and guile to win fights. Fairy sized bows, darts and javelins are very effective at delivering poison. Once the target has succommed to the effects of the poison it is easy for the fairy to have his way. TTYF cares not what size the caster is...
With their small size faeries should be able to dodge the attacks of larger creatures.
Flight gives the advantage of allowing fairies to ignore any traps that depend on trip wires or pressure plates, pits etc.
As for the rest, well Fairies wear boots, use them!
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Fenris
5th Level Troll
Weapon Hand Severed!
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Post by Fenris on May 24, 2008 8:30:31 GMT -5
Fairies wear boots! I saw it with my own two eyes. Only the most stylish ones, lol. You know, there's been some posts about the faeries looking like dwarves and what-not... those are the original faery ideas. See Brian Froud art for examples of faeries as described in folklore. The little pretty winged humans, popularized in the current day by Mary Cicely Barker (Flower Fairies) and Amy Brown, is an invention of the Victorian era, when artists discovered that putting wings on humans made them "not real" and so could be portrayed in stages of undress not normally allowed in art by the mean Queen, who was not into the obscene (when Vicki ruled, it was always winter but never Christmas!). I admit, I prefer the pretty English ones, lol, and boots??? Never! I noticed mine also seem to be a bit smaller than the ones discussed here. And sometimes they have antennae and pointed elf-ears. And I like to stick pins through their bellies and display them on my wall. And that's why there aren't more female gamers, lol. ;D I don't like the Brian Froud faeries because I think they're ugly and unpleasant, but they certainly would fit in a campaign based on medieval (style) thought and belief. |
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unclecranky
5th Level Troll
(mutter...grumble)
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Post by unclecranky on Oct 10, 2008 0:30:23 GMT -5
In 7e, fairies were described as having 1/10th the weight of humans. This meant that a 7 inch fairy often weighed between 35 and 40 lbs, or roughly the size of a medium dog. How the devil? As to survivability, obviously, being tiny, fairies can smith their weapons and armor to perfection, since their tiny eyes would see defects a humans wouldn't be able to catch with a microscope. In practice, if you reduce the weight of their items by 1/10, and keep all other factors the same, they work out fine.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Oct 10, 2008 2:26:50 GMT -5
In 7e, fairies were described as having 1/10th the weight of humans. This meant that a 7 inch fairy often weighed between 35 and 40 lbs, or roughly the size of a medium dog. How the devil? As to survivability, obviously, being tiny, fairies can smith their weapons and armor to perfection, since their tiny eyes would see defects a humans wouldn't be able to catch with a microscope. In practice, if you reduce the weight of their items by 1/10, and keep all other factors the same, they work out fine. Thats an excellent point about spotting defects and imperfections. I'll have to remember that the next time someone tries to give me any guff about fairy weapons. As far as the weight goes I always thought of it as the fairies being incredibly dense for their size. Which would explain how they have such a massive strength to size ratio. Also its a good justification of why they don't die the first time someone swats them out of the air! ;D |
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unclecranky
5th Level Troll
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Post by unclecranky on Oct 10, 2008 11:35:05 GMT -5
I don't know, it seems like they'd put a big dent in the wall when they hit after getting swatted! Anyway, I've been looking at edition 7.5, and Ken's got the weight down to 1/1000th of a human (at least that's what it looks like-I have to admit that my pain meds sometimes play hob with my eyes, and I either miss things entirely or see double. Yep, it's a thousandth, all right. That means that if you roll a 200 weight, that fairy winds up weighing in at under a quarter-pound. Hmm. House-rule back to 5th edition?
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Oct 10, 2008 14:41:53 GMT -5
I don't know, it seems like they'd put a big dent in the wall when they hit after getting swatted! Anyway, I've been looking at edition 7.5, and Ken's got the weight down to 1/1000th of a human (at least that's what it looks like-I have to admit that my pain meds sometimes play hob with my eyes, and I either miss things entirely or see double. Yep, it's a thousandth, all right. That means that if you roll a 200 weight, that fairy winds up weighing in at under a quarter-pound. Hmm. House-rule back to 5th edition? 1/1000th! Wow that is a change. Well I guess that is a little more reasonable if you want them to be aerodynamic, but I think I like my old style portly fairies. They go further when you hit them with a base-ball bat. ;D |
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Post by mahrundl on Oct 10, 2008 18:54:08 GMT -5
Something like this, then?
Baseball Bat
ST Req.: 11
DX Req.: 9
Cost:: 50
Weight: 50
Does 4 + 2 damage. Requires 2 hands. When used against a Fairy, every 6 rolled will knock the Fairy backwards 5 yards.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Oct 10, 2008 19:20:16 GMT -5
Something like this, then? Baseball Bat ST Req.: 11 DX Req.: 9 Cost:: 50 Weight: 50 Does 4 + 2 damage. Requires 2 hands. When used against a Fairy, every 6 rolled will knock the Fairy backwards 5 yards. Exalted my friend exalted! ;D Maybe that could be a Troll-World underground sport. "The first rule of Fairy baseball is we don't talk about fairy baseball". |
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Post by Mhegrrrim Skulltosser on Oct 11, 2008 12:23:53 GMT -5
At TrollCon I watched a fairy go hand to hand with an ogre. No dodging, no special tricks, just plain old 5e combat.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Oct 11, 2008 15:23:33 GMT -5
At TrollCon I watched a fairy go hand to hand with an ogre. No dodging, no special tricks, just plain old 5e combat. Ok now I have to know what happened and hopefully how the little fairy kept from getting splattered all over the dungeon.  |
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Ok, somehow the very thought of fairy-winged dwarves made my brain freeze up like an overheated air-conditioner.
