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Post by ProfGremlin on Jan 11, 2011 13:16:33 GMT -5
And there is the single main reason why I have serious reservations of writing and offering T&T related material.
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Post by gaptooth on Jan 11, 2011 13:55:13 GMT -5
I don't see how this would drag down your reputation, Sligo. And James is right-- this once --if buying something legally and re-selling it at a higher price were illegal, used book stores wouldn't be in business. Would you object to finding your book at a used book store? If a certain book store has a bad reputation, it would be highly unusual for customers to impute that reputation to authors whose books are stocked there.
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sligo
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Post by sligo on Jan 11, 2011 15:19:30 GMT -5
You make a good point. It's not the secondary-market/profit motive that concerns me, however. I am not selling Final Exam for very much profit for myself. It's a labor of love. If I were to enumerate the value of my time and the time of the contributing artists and the pre-publication play-tester, my net loss would be so great that it would never justify the effort - even if I were to sell 100 or 1000 copies.
I believe that "that guy"'s actions cheapens the value of my product by association with his business. It brings into question the integrity of my product - - especially my committment to the artists, who did their work essentially for free.
There are two things that bother me specifically. In the blurb he used to advertise Final Exam in his catalog, he misrepresents the product by stating that it was written for 6th and 7th editions. Since I have never, ever, seen a copy of this so-called 6th edition, this statement is blatently false. Not only did he not list my name as the author, he changed the review quote from Ken to "Trollgod," which can be somewhat misleading.
I'm hoping my current tactic where the current version is unreasonably marked up and the new version will have the correct retail price printed in multiple places will, in effect, sabotage his ability to sell the product.
Oh, and Prof, I agree that this is a headache and a major annoyance. However, I believe our community is enriched by our creative contributions. If you have things you've created, but are not publishing due to the potential risks, I think you're cheating the rest of us honest folk out of some great stuff. Every endeavor has risks, but I think the benefits far outweigh them.
I'm truly hoping that my resources will find a way to shut down "that company" permanently, and we can put this whole thing behind us once and for all.
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jan 11, 2011 15:48:14 GMT -5
If you have things you've created, but are not publishing due to the potential risks, I think you're cheating the rest of us honest folk out of some great stuff. Nothing so grand, Sligo. I have a couple-three ideas that got put on the back burner due to more pressing concerns. When I was considering them, though, I had to take into account that they could very well be appropriated and used to line Mr. "that guy"'s pockets regardless of my desires. I am vehemently and categorically opposed to someone else taking credit for the creations of an artist, no matter what the field of art. In the end, that kind of person is worse than a hack as they aren't even able or, more often, willing to create something themselves, derivative or otherwise. They're far more comfortable just taking what they want and claiming credit. One can only wonder at their sense of fear and embarrassment when inquires arise for more creations along the lines of those they've already "produced", especially when the actual artist either hasn't created anything new or has gone off in a different direction. The verbal backpedaling must be a sight to see. I'm not saying I won't offer my creations to the community. I have received a great deal of enjoyment in my interactions here and with the creations of other members of this community. I like to give back in support of the community which is why I've offered my services as an editor/proofreader for the TrollsZine. As I've said, though, I currently have other demands on my time which seem to somehow preclude me from getting to these projects.
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quoghmyre
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Post by quoghmyre on Jan 11, 2011 16:50:23 GMT -5
Wow, I'd hear of this type of prejudice but never encountered it. I think from now on I'll dislike people from Facebook.
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Post by cartomancer on Jan 11, 2011 17:26:58 GMT -5
Wow, I'd hear of this type of prejudice but never encountered it. I think from now on I'll dislike people from Facebook. Hey!! Facebookist!! That was the last site i visited before i came here... Ooh, would anyone like to join my Facebook games by the way. I only need like a 371 more friends to click on a link and, i get a + 1 Golden Codpiece!! ;D
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jan 11, 2011 22:34:22 GMT -5
I only need like a 371 more friends to click on a link and, i get a + 1 Golden Codpiece!! Does it play Greensleeves if you press the jeweled stud?
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Post by cartomancer on Jan 12, 2011 7:24:19 GMT -5
I only need like a 371 more friends to click on a link and, i get a + 1 Golden Codpiece!! Does it play Greensleeves if you press the jeweled stud? Yup! It's even polyphonic!!
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machfront
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Post by machfront on Jan 12, 2011 8:19:07 GMT -5
As a dyed-in-the-wool Capitalist, I must say that I don't believe what he's doing is illegal...though, having said that, and when one considers any one (let alone all) of his previous actions, what he's doing is slimy and underhanded at best. But, hey, caveat emptor.
I have to wonder, though...is there any way someone who produces something can legally forbid a certain someone from selling what it is they've produced?
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machfront
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Post by machfront on Jan 12, 2011 8:26:32 GMT -5
"that guy", You are not a capitalist. Capitalists are businessmen and entreprneurs. Innovators. Those who take full advantage of capitalism in all it's might (that it still works despite intense and excessively expensive regulations and taxes taken by force) are people who not only work, but work hard[/b][/u].
To even suggest that you are in the company of such real men is to suggest that the stuff that accumulates at the corners of some unsavory folks' mouths when they speak is mana from Heaven.
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Post by gaptooth on Jan 12, 2011 11:49:56 GMT -5
I have to wonder, though...is there any way someone who produces something can legally forbid a certain someone from selling what it is they've produced? Yep. See business models like Ticketmaster, et al, in which the purchasing agreement strictly curtails your resale rights as a ticket holder. Capitalism allows for such things to be governed by contracts and agreements instead of by government fiat. Trouble is, customers may not agree to your terms, in which case the operation of the free market may require you to rethink it. Then again, if customers see it as a benefit, the free market might reward you.
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andrew
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Post by andrew on Jan 12, 2011 13:58:18 GMT -5
Most of my buyers have never heard of Lulu, or dislike people from Trollhalla, so they are happy to buy from me. What an asinine statement. Somehow, some way I've wound up on his mailing list. And I can honestly say, I have heard of Lulu and I don't dislike people on Trollhalla (but I am no buyer of his). He is, once again, selling his full range of products, Sligo's solo, danhem's solos, my solo, Andy Holmes' solos, etc. If anyone doesn't know where to find my solo, Escape from Khosht, let me know and I will let you know where to find it for free.
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sligo
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Post by sligo on Jan 12, 2011 15:43:39 GMT -5
Andrew, similar to what has been suggested to me, you should add verbiage in your solo - on the covers (front & back), and internally in at least one place, if not more, that your solo is free and where it can be found. This way, if someone buys your solo from OP, they will see right away they've been scammed.
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dekh
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Post by dekh on Jan 13, 2011 14:16:57 GMT -5
If anyone doesn't know where to find my solo, Escape from Khosht, let me know and I will let you know where to find it for free. Me, I don't.
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Post by gaptooth on Jan 13, 2011 15:25:32 GMT -5
If anyone doesn't know where to find my solo, Escape from Khosht, let me know and I will let you know where to find it for free. Me, I don't. I found it on Radio Free Trollworld.
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