Post by Billiam Babble on Mar 2, 2012 21:05:21 GMT -5
Apart from going down the "that company" route... are there other ways of buying PDF versions of the earlier editions of T&T (or reprints)?
I've just been reading on another thread about comparisons between US 4th edition and UK 1st edition. I'm really interested at the moment in looking at games in their earliest forms - mainly just to read - also to build up a picture of that divergent path of D&D, RQ, T&T etc - with the similarities, differences, assumptions and text styles. Ebay searches haven't worked out too well, especially when it comes to the mystical world of editions before the mighty 5th.
Would it be wrong to ask someone here to do a naughty scan and I'll donate to a charity of choice?
It would be nice if there was PDF's of the 1st and 4th but alas none that I've ever seen. The 4th hits ebay every so often and I throw lazy bids at it but never seem to be serious enough to get it. Perhaps someday....
The 1st, argh they first.....it would be nice to get a PDF of that made and get Ken's ok to put it up on Lulu for free and print cost just for the "collectors feel". There is no way it's going to cut into anyones "profits", well almost anyones. Maybe some you trollhalla members can bring that up. (Yes I still haven't managed to actually join)
Post by Billiam Babble on Mar 4, 2012 22:42:53 GMT -5
Like you say, there's certainly a market (vintage old-school fetishists, collectors, the curious, the wealthy) , whilst it's not the same customer base as players buying the latest editions of games (noobs, contemporary players). Maybe it's all down to who holds what rights. After all, Monsters! Monsters! is pretty much as it was in '79(?) I reckon nearly everything ever printed in RPG circles before the mid 80s could be resold for an honest dollar in electronic form or print-on-demand, in fact I'm pretty sure that's how sites like RPGNow make perhaps a quarter of their money (well who knows what fraction), but out of the products I buy most are facsimiles of games I'd seen when I was younger. I say we start lobbying.
I think there are republication issues with Sorcerers Apprentice as it would be in a different format, but it would be great to have them there. I think Rick is reluctant to put stuff on PDF that he has dead tree versions of , that seems to be his publication policy for T&T.
Yes Rick does seem only half convinced about the value of selling PDF's. Heck he might be right we can't know how many units actually get sold so it could be after fees and all that it's just too little to bother with.
However I know for a fact that he has more PDF's then he has posted for sale. So as long as the demand remains perhaps he will continue posting them.
I think that dual pdf and dead tree versions boost both sales. I mean peoples having one are likely to buy the other; and if there is more rulesets around, there is more exposure for peoples who don't know them. It can seem counterintuitive, but a pdf sale doesn't mean one less paper edition sale. That system of distribution seems to have worked quite well for Savage Worlds for exemple. When I can't find a pdf of a game I own in paper, I generally make my own and -that- is a pdf sale lost.
For Sorceror's Apprentice, I think the biggest problem would be finding who has the rights to all those articles and illustration.
Post by Billiam Babble on Mar 9, 2012 16:08:51 GMT -5
T&T4 arrived! My partner wasn't very impressed and described it as a "pamphlet".
Thanks, Dhruu, I looked at that link, and yes, lots of it is very similar to the 4th edition/UK1st, it's a great compilation. Really good read.
I'm very happy with the fourth /UK 1st edition. It's tiny. Barely A5 and a mere 48 pages. In fact it makes T&T5 look monstrous - makes you realise what an achievement that publication was. I may have to start, or add to a different thread, about this, suffice to say, it's beautifully compact and I can imagine it has a cult following much like the Holmes D&D rules do. Talking or D&D, as with that system, the character levels have "names". The missile rules are very different to T&T5.
The debate about editions , pdfs and dead trees is more cyclical than I first believed. I now have several different editions of T&T in physical form, but I had to buy 7.5, the most recent, as a PDF (couldn't get hold of 7.5 as a book). Looking at the titles on DriveThru/RPGNow and Paizo some Pathfinder, D&D and Savage World players must be happy to buy both books and PDFs- as tablets and laptops are more common at the gaming table(?). I haven't anything seen that would suggest that older editions threaten new editions. I always used to assume the lack of reprints was down to awkward rights issues. Like Gwindel says, people might be making PDFs for their own use. T&T4 at 48 pages which could be converted in under 30 scans is very tempting ...
Thanks also for mentioning that T&T4 had has a whole load of unique line art illustrations (by Polly Wilson) - I'm delighted with them! I may be posting some snippets on my blog.
Post by mgtremaine on Nov 10, 2012 15:40:07 GMT -5
I finally won a 4th Edition with lazy bid on ebay! Needless to say you can guess what i've been doing with it. The PDF of the 4th was sent to Rick this morning. It's not perfect but it's pretty clean, very, very readable. Considering age of the book and the poor paper quality it's a solid pdf.