zanshin
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Post by zanshin on Jul 10, 2015 10:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by smokestackjones on Jul 10, 2015 11:35:09 GMT -5
Also, those who Kickstarted thru PayPal make sure you email Rick. Just a friendly reminder. BTW, do I gloat about having dT&T or not being on RPG.Net? (rimshot) -SJ |
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apn
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Post by apn on Jul 10, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5
Quick look through. It's nice that the low scores don't automatically relegate the character to the bin (negative combat adds removed) but still prevent your use of certain weapons. Layout looks good, black and white is a little '70s-80s' on the eye after the full colour on every page of the 2000 on rpg books. Probably not a bad thing, just wondered if there was a full colour version for Kickstarters or just B&W.
Danforth art up to the usual standard, excellent, though some is rehashed from previous versions.
I only have the PDF, but were I to have bought the dead tree (or print and bind the PDF into a hardback as I've done for other RPG books) I'd be somewhat daunted by the size. 385 pages for the PDF. It's not 'in danger' as such of turning into a bloated scary tome that scares off casual players who just want a dungeon bash but the earlier editions appeal more as a pick up and play prospect. Having to dredge through a big book to make sure you get the basics and the right options in the game, and explain rules to players elevates the game to a level along the lines of D&D and Runequest. Perhaps not in complexity, but certainly in approachability. Just like D&D lost something when it abandoned Mentzer/Moldvay Basic there may be a case of the same here.
I'm not naysaying, it's just my first impression/opnion. Maybe it's what T&T needed to elevate it from that 'quirky game with the funny spell names and stats in the hundreds', we'll see. Ken & co. got their money from the kickstarter so any new sales/players will be a bonus, but only time (and playing the game) will tell if this really is Deluxe ('one version to rule them all') or T&T 'the bloated edition'. I hope somewhere towards the former.
I think the creators of the game should be proud of themselves for what they've produced, thus far. Given the mixed history of the game and its longevity this may be what it needs to keep it in the hearts, minds and wallets of gamers.
What really needs to happen though is for Adventures to be turned out, and the quality of them controlled. Give them a unified cover/sidebar to represent 'Approved by Ken St Andre' or whatever. We have a zillion core game books at the moment, but only a fraction of those have any support.
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derv
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Post by derv on Jul 10, 2015 16:06:38 GMT -5
The dead tree version is being printed as I type. The pdf is missing page 31. Please tell me the book is not going to print without page 31. Otherwise, I've been a patient supporter of this project and pleased that the rulebook is finally here. |
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Post by feldrik on Jul 10, 2015 18:49:48 GMT -5
Rick is aware, it is being addressed.
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cram
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Post by cram on Jul 10, 2015 20:28:20 GMT -5
Steve posted that it isn't going to print until Monday, so they have the weekend to get feedback from supporters who got the pdf.
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Post by jeffepp on Jul 11, 2015 0:27:11 GMT -5
Well, then, I shall refrain from printing it out, until such time as the wayward leaf has been returned to the fold. Wasn't that the spot that had the missing page in the beta? It wasn't far off, as it was in the middle of weapons.
Edit: Going back to the Beta, you could safely swap in the sheet (pgs. 30-31) from it, if you were in a hurry.
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Odder
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Post by Odder on Jul 12, 2015 16:48:39 GMT -5
I know it's still very early but anyone put up a review anywhere? At the time of the kickstarter I went to order it and pulled only a IOU for lint out of my pockets.
So sadly I'm stuck with only whispers until someone does a review or it goes to PDF on rpgnow.
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Post by bigjackbrass on Jul 13, 2015 6:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by sonofliefeld on Jul 13, 2015 13:32:54 GMT -5
Updated PDF ( now includes page 31 and a number of other fixes) is now on DTRPG
Looking forward to a printed copy now
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Odder
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Post by Odder on Jul 13, 2015 15:54:32 GMT -5
What a GREAT review! Thanks a ton man!
I looked and could not find the rules for sale yet anywhere so maybe if it is on DTRPG it's just for kickstarters or something?
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Post by sonofliefeld on Jul 13, 2015 16:58:54 GMT -5
Yeah sorry if my post mislead you, the amended PDF from DTRPG is just for kickstarter backers for now
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Post by hrrrothgarrr on Jul 15, 2015 10:06:41 GMT -5
Very wisely the Fellowship delayed sending the file to the printers until the fans had a couple of days to play "Spot the Typos".
The nice thing is the core play rules are at teh front and only of about the size and complexity of 5e. In some areas even simpler. The bulk of the book is expansions and elaborations. Lots of of optional rules and ideas to customize your T&T.
There are bits I would have done differently, but I am very happy with DT&T.
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apn
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Post by apn on Jul 15, 2015 11:48:19 GMT -5
If we think this is the final, cast in stone version I will print and bind the thing. I dare say it might be my most challenging binding yet, or at least on a par with dark dungeons and runequest. I made a pigs ear of 7.5 T&T by using thick paper but it was a solid put together book, albeit one you could stop small arms fire with. This time round is not a problem. No needing thick paper to prevent inkjet show through. Laser printer for the win  |
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Post by mahrundl on Jul 15, 2015 15:05:30 GMT -5
This is the final version, from what has been said at Trollhalla. There has been a slight hitch with the printed copies - apparently the spine image is too small for the final book thickness (it's roughly an inch thick, as I understand!) - but that is being remedied and printing can shortly commence.
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