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Post by bigjackbrass on Jun 12, 2021 8:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jun 12, 2021 9:28:44 GMT -5
This is a situation where words must be carefully considered and selected before being committed as communication with others. I freely admit that my capacity for such is currently hobbled after a long series of weeks in various classes with changing schedules. As I currently read it, and informed by past experiences in our community, I cannot allow myself the luxury of waiting for my cup to refill before setting out my discourse. By then, damage may already have been perpetrated and rippled through our ranks.
So, I say to you all here: Trollbridge is a community of unique individuals brought together by our love for table-top gaming and the T&T style & flavor. Without a community, there is no gaming. Solos will only take you so far. It is the interaction with our fellow players and their characters at the table that allow both to learn and grow. Character development cannot happen in a vacuum.
We've never had a code of conduct, at least not that I've found posted anywhere, but I'd like to think it would include qualities such as kindness, respect, helpfulness, creativity, curiosity, inquisitive, humor, amusement, the list could go on. With each post we do our best to leave the community just a little bit better than when we discovered it.
As you put forth your own thoughts and perspectives I urge you to do so with such guidance as suggested above. Say what you need to say but do it respectfully. Personal attacks, derogatory comments and inciteful speech do not serve to build up the community, only tear it apart.
I leave you with two of my favorite quotes:
"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." ~ Yoda
“I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.” ~ Mother Teresea
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Jun 12, 2021 17:19:36 GMT -5
He's within his rights to overreact the way he did... but he's also just ensured that I want nothing to to with him, because he's making a religious level demand of a civil issue.
I agree with Ken that it's not right to demand people hold your views... excepting the religious context, where that is exactly what most religions are.
I agree that individuals not being racist isn't enough, but demanding past that is unreasonable.
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cupboardgnome
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I'm a long-time roleplayer, ever since the Red Box was published ⚔️🎲 I discovered T&T in 2020
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Post by cupboardgnome on Jun 12, 2021 17:39:15 GMT -5
T&T takes me away from the real world. So regardless of anyone's views 'out there' on other matters, I'm here to stay and my dice will just keep on rolling...
To expand on that. I don't know Ken's motivation for what he said and it's not something I am going to investigate because it has no bearing on whether I continue to enjoy T&T or not. Make no mistake, racism and intolerance of others is a vile thing and I respect and understand Scott's decision.
I joined this forum to hangout with others who enjoy playing T&T, not to spend time passing judgement on people and their views - there are plenty of other forums for that.
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Post by mahrundl on Jun 12, 2021 19:18:50 GMT -5
I had seen the quote, but not with any context. Having been under the surgeon's knife earlier this week, I've been a little out of touch and distracted from investigating it further.
With only 1 hand capable of typing currently, I'm not going to comment at this point other than to agree with ProfGremlin's wise words and to ask everyone to be respectful in their responses here.
Mahrundl
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Karl
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Post by Karl on Jun 12, 2021 23:08:40 GMT -5
Anyone calling for hostilities against other people are at best foolish and misguided and so very often the creators of great tragedy. They themselves are often seen in the same light they wish to shine on others and unknowingly the architects of their own misery.
Sane and Healthy individuals seek to engage others in civil debate where unhealthy ideas are exposed to the light of truth.
So often today, false masquerades as truth. Silence is the enemy of truth.
Racism is not something that can stand the light, but clearly this person is unaware that what is fine one day might be labeled racist the next and that there own political party is seen by a growing number of people as being racist.
Views should be attacked, not people.
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Post by zanshin on Jun 13, 2021 4:54:39 GMT -5
I would prefer to challenge racists and push them to change.
Hostility is entirely understandable, and racism is completely unacceptable and should be challenged, but in my experience hostility drives defensiveness and entrenchment.
There is more joy in my heart at a racist becoming non racist than in ten racists being shamed for their behaviour.
I don't know what was in Kens mind when he posted what he did - he is not someone I feel hostile to. It would be good to have engagement about it. i am sad we are losing the talents and wisdom of Scott Malthouse.
I hope that the Bridge can continue to thrive in a spirit of inclusiveness and joy in our favourite game.
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Post by d4caltrops on Jun 13, 2021 12:32:41 GMT -5
I'm pleased and relieved to see the kind, thoughtful, and measured responses of the Trollbridge community. When I saw this post I was very sad that the culture war had come to tear apart even my coziest little corner.
I'd like to reiterate the good wishes in this thread to keep moving forward in a kind way that focuses on the game and the goodness it brings, particularly in bringing people together and finding common ground.
I'd also like to point out that "anti-racism" is a particular philosophy, one that bills itself as the only way to challenge racism, but it's not. There are many valid ways to fight for good.
Let's stick together on sharing this game and bringing out the best in each other to make the game and the world a more joyous place.
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Jun 13, 2021 18:04:33 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that "anti-racism" is a particular philosophy, one that bills itself as the only way to challenge racism, but it's not. There are many valid ways to fight for good. Most "anti-___" movements are more focused on harming the perpetrators of ___ than actually ending ___. Most of those anti-___ movements wind up reinforcing ___ rather than ending it. Or worse, simply flipping who is discriminated against.
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quoghmyre
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Post by quoghmyre on Jun 13, 2021 21:47:29 GMT -5
I think the tread could now be locked. People have said their bit, agree or disagree this isn't the place to debate the point. mahrundl
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Post by bigjackbrass on Jun 14, 2021 1:18:26 GMT -5
I think the tread could now be locked. People have said their bit, agree or disagree this isn't the place to debate the point. mahrundlI debated whether to post anything about this matter, but when Scott made his announcement I thought it best that T&T fans here knew what had occurred, since not everyone follows blogs and social media, so that people could make their own informed decisions. A continuing discussion here is unlikely to benefit anyone, or end well.
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Post by mahrundl on Jun 14, 2021 7:22:23 GMT -5
Agreed. I will do so.
If anyone has something that absolutely must be added, please contact ProfGremlin or myself.
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jun 14, 2021 7:30:26 GMT -5
Upon that sentiment, I'll take care of it.
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Post by ProfGremlin on Jun 19, 2021 10:20:58 GMT -5
In an effort to be fair and balanced, I'm posting this link to Scott's follow-up blog. The link was passed along by a member of the Trollbridge to communicate that sometimes we re-think our positions after making an announcement, especially such a public one, of a definitive position. Something that, I'm sure, many of us can empathize with. www.trollishdelver.com/2021/06/have-i-thrown-baby-out-with-bathwater.html
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