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Post by Rat Salad on Feb 22, 2022 22:17:55 GMT -5
Hey, something that has been bugging me for sometime, and I know someone on here will know this easily: I have all the Grimtooth traps books that F.B. put out, and I also have the newer "Ultimate Traps Collection" that puts them all together in one book, but I recall in high school copies of the Grimtooth booklets that were more junior sized notebook in scale. Is this a false memory? Were they ever printed in a smaller format? I could very well be getting them confused with the Palladium armor and weapon booklets which I had back then as well, but I swear I remember them being printed in a smaller booklet-sized format. Anybody have one like that, or am I confused?
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Post by bigjackbrass on Feb 23, 2022 3:17:29 GMT -5
Certainly the UK editions published via Chris Harvey Games were small format with single colour covers (roughly digest / A5 size). I don't know whether they were distributed in the US as well or if the original Flying Buffalo printings were a similar format.
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Post by Rat Salad on Feb 23, 2022 9:58:04 GMT -5
Thanks bigjack....I was thinking that might be the case, given the size of some of the other UK supplements. I distinctly remember having at least one of the trap manuals in this size when I was a kid, but I couldn't be for sure if that was the case as it was a long time ago. I'm thinking this one wasn't a UK edition though, as I remember the regular blue cover (I think it was the first manual), so I'm wondering if FB put them out that way here too, at least for a short run.
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Post by stefanj on Feb 23, 2022 10:21:18 GMT -5
Steve Crompton would know about any domestic version variants of Traps. Maybe about foreign editions too.
Next time I have an occasion to write I'll mention this thread.
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Post by Rat Salad on Feb 23, 2022 13:12:16 GMT -5
Thanks for that, Stefanj! It's been driving me nuts...I'll look at copies of those on ebay, but you can't ever tell the dimensions, so I can't be for sure. I really do remember that clearly though, and if so, I'd like to secure at least the first booklet.
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Post by sscrompton on Feb 24, 2022 1:07:15 GMT -5
Hey, something that has been bugging me for sometime, and I know someone on here will know this easily: I have all the Grimtooth traps books that F.B. put out, and I also have the newer "Ultimate Traps Collection" that puts them all together in one book, but I recall in high school copies of the Grimtooth booklets that were more junior sized notebook in scale. Is this a false memory? Were they ever printed in a smaller format? I could very well be getting them confused with the Palladium armor and weapon booklets which I had back then as well, but I swear I remember them being printed in a smaller booklet-sized format. Anybody have one like that, or am I confused? Hi there - YEs Steve here... I thought I'd try to answer your question. I can think of four things that might fit what you are talking about. One has already been mentioned Chris Harvey in the UK did publish at least three of the Traps books in a pamphlet form during the early to mid 1980s. Chris's book had colored paper covers and were printed in Black ink. There is also a Swedish version of Traps and Traps too that were pamphlet sized published in the mid 1980s. They had color covers. Thirdly, a pamphlet was published by fans as a Grimtooth adventure that was used for tournament play at Origins in the mid 1980s. That pamphlet was reprinted by Goodman games and I think it was part of the Ultimate Traps collection Kickstarter or the Grimtooth's Trapsylvania. Also Goodman Games published Grimtooth's Tomb of the Warhammer in 2017 that was pamphlet sized. It has a full color cover that is mostly orange. Hope that helps! |
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Post by Rat Salad on Feb 24, 2022 9:39:58 GMT -5
Helps a TON, Steve, thank you! It answers my question actually. It is indeed, then, a confused memory. It's not any of the 4 possibilities you've listed. This literally (in my mind) was identical to the regular sized manuals from F.B., but was shrunk down. It's just my old, cobwebbed, etched and tattooed brain remembering wrong. Thanks again.
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Post by sscrompton on Feb 24, 2022 20:28:46 GMT -5
Glad to help... If I knew of what you were describing - I'd tell you of it, but as far as I know - no such thing existed - at least not in the US.
Steve
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Post by Rat Salad on Feb 24, 2022 21:47:37 GMT -5
Much appreciated information! I was combing ebay for a year now thinking one of those was out there, and I'm now certain that wasn't the case. I think I just had the regular one back then and confused it for those Palladium booklets I used to lug around as well, ha.
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Post by viva on Feb 24, 2022 21:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by Rat Salad on Feb 25, 2022 0:08:19 GMT -5
Thanks Viva...I don't think so though, 'cause I recall the normal sky blue cover. The other thing is I doubt if I could have gotten that in my hands growing up in Texas pre-internet, BUT I think I may get one in my hands now! Think I may snag one of those. I have none of the UK stuff in my collection, and I'd like to. I actually like the look of the mono, colored paper covered stuff that was distributed there. Thanks for the link!
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Mar 12, 2022 10:14:59 GMT -5
with the advent of toner based electrostatic process photocopiers, it was not uncommon to see photocopy reductions done for personal use. Some of those wound up in estate lots at used book stores. I've seen at least one such at a local con in Anchorage; cover was the FB cover.
Pirated editions predate the public internet.
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Post by Rat Salad on Mar 22, 2022 21:02:45 GMT -5
That is true...this wasn't pirated though, because of my situation back then in the middle of nowhere and the limited places to even buy gear. We bought all of our gaming stuff at one reputable mall store in the middle of Oklahoma...so, possible, but, in this case, not likely. The guy that ran it only sold new games, and nothing even near in the 'shady' zone. That does bring up an interesting point though, beyond my own query: I wonder how much of the FB material in England was done that way, given the approach to those releases at the time. Makes me wonder. That material in particular would have been easy even back then to copy and make "legitimate".
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Post by houndle on Mar 23, 2022 1:46:13 GMT -5
My "UK" edition states it was published under licence by Strategy Games Ltd. I've never seen a comparable U.S. Edition, but it does seem to have been edited for the UK market (different layout and illustrations I believe). I have a feeling the early solos got the same treatment, but at least from 5th we seem to have got the same edition as everyone else.
I believe that sort of thing was quite common at the time. My contemporaneous edition of TOG was published under licence by Games Workshop, who have subsequently done quite well (!) With their own line of games.
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Post by Rat Salad on Mar 24, 2022 12:58:26 GMT -5
I actually wish I had a lot of those UK editions. I really like the look of the mono covers on those. I've never actually seen one in person. Maybe one day I can trade a stack of those with one of our tunnel delvers across the seas. I would prefer those copies, honestly...I wish they were all produced that way! The paperbacks must be pretty cool too, and I think I knew a guy that had one of those. I could have gotten those from FB, obviously, back when...but never seemed to get around to it, since I already had those solos in their larger format form. I know the artwork in those were really cool.
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