punkrabbitt
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Tunnels & Trolls, Swords & Wizardry, The Traveller Book... I think I'm set for the rest of my life!
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Post by punkrabbitt on Feb 5, 2023 18:48:40 GMT -5
First, let me express my thanks for y'all letting me come play here. I learned about this place from the OD&D74 forum, and I see some familiar names.
Now, based on good information both from that forum and this illustrious one, I went ahead and ordered a T&T 5th edition rulebook from evilbay last night. I played T&T once when I was ten years old back in 1980, and it seemed like a fun game. I've had a donated copy of The Edition That Shall Not Be Mentioned kicking about for a few years, but it never seemed the same.
So I am looking forward to some 5th edition playing with myself, courtesy of all the free solo stuff available online. I will probably share with y'all about it when I do.
Thanks again!
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Piper
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Post by Piper on Feb 5, 2023 19:27:46 GMT -5
What I love about TNT is that it has a wide-open, crazy, anything goes sort of feel just baked into the rules.
This is very much how the original boxed That Other Game had in the 1970s. It’s a feeling later additions of same never managed to recapture. Whereas with TnT? It never left. It is truly a “if you can conceive it you can put it in the game” set of rules
I have found this forum to be an excellent resource. So, if you have any questions? Ask them here, you’ll receive a lot of great advice.
Welcome to the board!
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Feb 5, 2023 21:53:22 GMT -5
Welcome!
Note that 5E has rather limited choice of types (≈ classes) by comparison to later editions (7, 7.5, Deluxe), but that's really not a huge issue. The types, despite similarity to classes, are solely about access to magic in T&T 1e-5e. (7.0 and later, some are about special abilities.)
Note also that later editions add some form of talent system, change advancement, lower some spells levels (and focus more on low level play), and also implement "triples are roll-over and add".
The core mechanics of play, that is, Saving Rolls, Combat, and Adventuring, remain unchanged.
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houndle
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Post by houndle on Feb 6, 2023 3:13:58 GMT -5
Welcome punkrabbitt! 5th edition still seems to have quite a following, and as Aramis of Erak says most of the solos and other material are compatible with any version with a bit of creative interpretation. It's actually only in the last couple of years I switched to dT&T, and while some of the new stuff is great I remember the previous versions fondly - ultimately it's the quality of the enjoyment that counts, and T&T has always delivered that for me. (Well except when I roll back to back fumbles.) Hope you enjoy your adventuring!
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Post by mahrundl on Feb 6, 2023 6:24:21 GMT -5
Welcome, punkrabbitt!
5th edition was definitely T & T's high point, or one of them at least. But pretty much any of the editions are enjoyable to play, and they all have their own quirks and niggles.
Looking forward to hearing of your adventures!
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Post by zanshin on Feb 6, 2023 7:04:50 GMT -5
Welcome punkrabbitt, great to have you here.
5e is the one I started with and is truly awesome - however the level of retro/cross compatibility is extremely high for T&T so you should be able to use other edition (& monsters! monsters!) material with not much problem.
Check out Trollszine - free and oh so fabulous.
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darrght
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Post by darrght on Feb 6, 2023 10:44:56 GMT -5
Well done punkrabbitt. You will not regret getting involved with T&T and 5th edition is THE classic version. Many/most of us have purloined rules from other editions but, at heart, I think the vast majority of those here play a version of 5th
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Post by dwayanu on Feb 6, 2023 12:35:31 GMT -5
Is that Evil Bay the seller on Etsy, or something else? From my looking, even Deluxe Edition appears currently not in stock from Flying Buffalo, nor is a print edition of Monsters! Monsters! available as fresh product. People who want physical books are reduced to hunting for second hand sellers.
Due to its longevity in print, Fifth is widely recognized as the ‘classic’ version. It’s lean compared with more recent presentations, but I think provides plenty if one gets the groove of T&T in the first place.
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Feb 6, 2023 20:40:04 GMT -5
There's one 5th ed rule to be aware of that isn't really called out as a rule... I call it the Stupid PC Tricks Rule... p. 2.13.1 lc ¶4...
That paragraph is the true heart of Tunnels and Trolls Combat in group games.
Encourage Stupid PC Tricks to liven up combat. Set suitable saves, and they make T&T both uniquely crunchy and still rules light.
Things I've often explicitly allowed as SPCTs: Taking an extra share of damage (usually by fighters), isolating a specific target, targeting someone's armor rather than Con/MR, taking an ally's share of damage, Treating a specific melee attack like a ranged weapon or TTYF...
Different people use different ones and levels. It's one of the most interesting things in watching Ken's games.
(Ken being Ken St. Andre)
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trolletgunnar
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Post by trolletgunnar on Feb 7, 2023 6:28:48 GMT -5
Welcome to the board! T&t has a laissez-faire, anything goes feeling to it that later versions of d&d lack. That's why t&t and od&d - usally with the chainmail rules, are my go to games.
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trolletgunnar
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Post by trolletgunnar on Feb 8, 2023 11:50:59 GMT -5
Welcome punkrabbitt ! 5th edition still seems to have quite a following, and as Aramis of Erak says most of the solos and other material are compatible with any version with a bit of creative interpretation. It's actually only in the last couple of years I switched to dT&T, and while some of the new stuff is great I remember the previous versions fondly - ultimately it's the quality of the enjoyment that counts, and T&T has always delivered that for me. (Well except when I roll back to back fumbles.) Hope you enjoy your adventuring! I really like the 5th edition; it almost feels like infielity when i use the Deluxe rules.
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punkrabbitt
Lurker under the Bridge
Tunnels & Trolls, Swords & Wizardry, The Traveller Book... I think I'm set for the rest of my life!
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Post by punkrabbitt on Feb 8, 2023 16:33:07 GMT -5
Thank you all for the kind comments. I decided on 5th after a lot of research because it apparently has less dice bloat and fewer rules than later editions,, while at the same time having a lot of material available for it. If I had been able to find a copy of 4th edition, I might have gone for that instead. But no, my 5th edition rulebook should be in the mailbox when I get home from work today
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Feb 14, 2023 3:42:11 GMT -5
I decided on 5th after a lot of research because it apparently has less dice bloat If reduced dice is your goal, it's a fool's errand... A dozen MR=40 monsters is 60d6+480... at least in T&T 5e/7e/7.5e/De. In 1e, and in M!M! 2e, it's 48d6+480. But a dozen MR=41 monsters is 60d+492 in all the editions I can check easily (1e/5e/7e/7.5e/De). It's a formula change that only affects MR's ending in zero... dice=1+(MR/10) round down vs dice=(MR/10) round up Not a lot of difference. The PC/FullStatNPC weapon dice+adds change upwards from 4th to 5th, and all later make only minor changes (if any) to PC weapons. If you're averse to handfuls of dice, T&T is probably not going to satisfy... most PCs are rolling 3 to 12 dice per round, sometimes triple that, EACH. (the multipliers being Whammy and Vorpal Blade spells.) fewer rules than later editions. Not particularly so. while at the same time having a lot of material available for it. All the material for use with a given edition can be used with any edition with negligible changes... most notably, statted out opponents needing Spd and Pow/Wiz generated. A few spells get name changes. (Especially if your 5th is the Corgi ed.)
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trolletgunnar
4th Level Troll
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Post by trolletgunnar on Feb 14, 2023 6:53:03 GMT -5
Thank you all for the kind comments. I decided on 5th after a lot of research because it apparently has less dice bloat and fewer rules than later editions,, while at the same time having a lot of material available for it. If I had been able to find a copy of 4th edition, I might have gone for that instead. But no, my 5th edition rulebook should be in the mailbox when I get home from work today Well the 5th edition have a monster reaction table; I like that a lot, and miss it in the later versions. In the 7.5 edition you get some monsters though. Just cherry pick what you like!
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houndle
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Post by houndle on Feb 14, 2023 10:43:14 GMT -5
Just cherry pick what you like! Wise words indeed. If you don't like a rule, throw it out or change it. If you think there's something missing, make it up or borrow from elsewhere. The big strength of T&T is that it's almost impossible to break.
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