dalton
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Post by dalton on Nov 27, 2006 12:48:38 GMT -5
Has anyone thought of rebuilding the TNT wiki from the wayback machine?
I would be willing to put up a wiki if I knew that it would not go against the general mood of the existing community.
Let me know and I will see about building a box and putting it up on the web.
best regards
Dalton
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Post by mahrundl on Nov 27, 2006 14:18:22 GMT -5
Absolutely! I think that it would be great, especially since it died not long after 7th edition came out and T&T has undergone some revitalisation since then. I had intended to extract what data I could from the Wayback Machine, but have not had the time or energy to spend on such a project.
You most certainly have my vote.
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Post by mahrundl on Nov 27, 2006 14:19:11 GMT -5
Always forget this bit!
An Exalt to you for this excellent idea!
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Post by Mhegrrrim Skulltosser on Dec 10, 2006 9:49:45 GMT -5
Wikis are wonderful places for group to build up new ideas. How is this project looking?
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dalton
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Post by dalton on Dec 10, 2006 12:45:48 GMT -5
I have the IP addresses, server (pIV running mandriva 2007) but no dns entries and won't be until January or so when I have some other things taken care of.
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quoghmyre
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Post by quoghmyre on Dec 24, 2006 1:43:37 GMT -5
It think the last one died because of Wiki Spam and stupid posters.
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Post by mahrundl on Dec 24, 2006 2:52:32 GMT -5
Quog,
As I understand, failure of the aging hard drive and lack of backups was what ultimately killed it and kept Giles from restoring it, but a DOS attack was the final straw that took out the hard drive.
Something like that, anyway...
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Post by Mhegrrrim Skulltosser on Dec 26, 2006 14:31:58 GMT -5
I'll keep my eye on this discussion. I would love to participate in a new T&T wiki. It was a ton of fun to work with a handful of others to create a new GM adventure.
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dalton
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Post by dalton on Jan 3, 2007 14:47:52 GMT -5
Hi Talonfire,
Well, I have the stuff put together, and I have a server ready to go, but......and this is a big but....
When I posted on Ken's trollhalla site (on the wall) concerning what I was doing, I got no reply. I sent Ken an email, but again, no reply.
I am giving it a few more weeks to see if he has just been too busy to respond, but, I will not post the wiki until I have some sort of trollish wave of agreement to the whole thing.
So, the project, at this point, is on hold.
regards
Dalton
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khaydhaik
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Post by khaydhaik on Jan 3, 2007 20:51:27 GMT -5
Dalton, if you are looking to get permission from the holders of the intellectual property rights of the material previously posted on the former wiki, you need more than a nod from Ken. Lots of people posted to the wiki, and legally you need permission from each poster of each post that you repost.
Ken might be withholding consent because he wants it to happen, but knows that he can't legally give you the permission you seek from him. It's really up to you if you decide to do it or not.
One tactic you might take is to go ahead and post the material, but to put a notice on the site that if anyone claims ownership to a post and they wish it to be removed, to contact you to discuss it. I think it might be pretty difficult for anyone to prove that they wrote any particular material. With the nature of wikis, where anyone can edit any page, any sentence, or any word, ownership of material gets really blurred. In fact, most wikis make registered members agree that any thing they enter in the wiki can be edited by anyone, and that certain rights of ownership are given up by entering the material in the wiki. So I think you have nothing to fear legally by resurrecting the wiki, especially since most of the T&T community (if not all) would welcome it's resurrection.
If you merely want to know that Ken is interested in the wiki being resurrected, I think you will just have to resurrect it and then see if Ken visits. But whether he does or not, lots of other T&T'ers will visit. Do it for them!
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Post by mahrundl on Jan 4, 2007 5:57:17 GMT -5
Dalton, I'd try contacting Giles Williams, the previous Wiki maintainer, and see if you can get any information on what he did when he first set it up. I don't know if this address is still current, but you could try: GilesTntPage@aegidian.org
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dalton
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Post by dalton on Jan 4, 2007 9:51:35 GMT -5
Hi Guys, The problem is this, if the original copyright holder (not trademark as that is another kettle of fish) is against the idea, I will not proceed with a plan that may offend him. If Ken gives a nod to the project, then I can contact Rick and ask for disclaimer text etc. If I am going to be involved in the project, I want to make sure that it is done properly. That means, start with the current owner of the copyright, then trademark, then contributors...... You know the drill, and I am not one to take shortcuts. I may just do a shard wiki as I am starting to get more than enough material to fill a hard drive. The maps alone would be a major drain on bandwidth (for those who like making maps - check out www.dungeonforge.com -- shameless plug) best regards Dalton
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khaydhaik
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Post by khaydhaik on Jan 4, 2007 23:28:19 GMT -5
An implication of what I tried to say in my previous post, Dalton, is that it's impossible to start with the current owner of the copyright for the material that was published in the previous wiki. Ken is not the copyright owner of all of the material that was published in the previous wiki. He might be the copyright owner for the T&T rules, but that copyright does not extend to all T&T-related material. Ideas can not be copyrighted, and any new expression of the same idea is copyrighted by the author of the new material.
Yes, I know there are laws about derivative works. But a work is not derivative just because it mentions an existing work or uses some of the same ideas as an existing work. For instance, this post mentions T&T, but it is not a derivative of T&T. It is an original expression of ideas about T&T. Thus, Ken does not have the copyright to this post. I do, to the extent that I did not waive my rights when I registered with this board. It's the same deal with the posts that were made in the previous wiki. Ken does not own the copyright to everything that was posted to the wiki merely because he is the copyright owner of T&T.
If you're not taking any shortcuts, you would legally need to get the permission of everyone that submitted material to the wiki. Good luck with that.
But I give you permission to resurrect any posts that I might have made to the previous wiki. That gets you started...
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Boozer
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Post by Boozer on Jan 6, 2007 5:58:44 GMT -5
Zoiks! It's been too long since I looked-in at the Trollbridge! For the record, I would give my vote also, for what it's worth, to a resurrection of the Wiki. I never bothered with it in the first place as it didn't seem to work too well for me, but if started again I would be glad to take a look and maybe partake if time allowed. What happened to Giles Williams anyhow? He just seemed to vanish from the T&T universe.
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Post by mahrundl on Jan 14, 2007 20:52:39 GMT -5
Weird.
I was just going through an archive CD, and I found a zip file containing the T&T Wiki from the end of Feb 2005. I don't actually remember ever getting that...
Anyway, Dalton, if you want the files, let me know. I assume that your copies are probably more recent, but you never know.
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