Adult Content Removed

[mahrundl]

I have to say that I prefer the original spell names to the Corgi ones, but then I encountered the originals first. The Corgi names didn't seem to match the light-hearted nature of T & T as well.

[machfront]

Aug 8, 2008 20:32:31 GMT -5 mahrundl said:

I have to say that I prefer the original spell names to the Corgi ones, but then I encountered the originals first. The Corgi names didn't seem to match the light-hearted nature of T & T as well.

I can totally see how you'd feel this way.
I think the Corgi spell names are fairly light-hearted themselves, actually.

But the reason for me to like them better is that I actually don't want T&T to be light-hearted.
I love T&T for it's rules and it's laid-back attitude, not so much the possible light-heartedness.

Not taking yourself seriously is one thing. Walking around in an over-sized foam cowboy hat and nipple pasties is another. ;D

[Fenris]

I have no idea why they changed the names of the spells at all, but I always assumed that maybe the "humour" didn't translate well. For example, "Hidey Hole" became "Concealing Crack" which actually sounds, umm, worse, yet is still somehow oddly the same.

From that, I just assumed that name change was that the Corgi editor "didn't think it was funny, or that his audience would either" and played revisionist.

Personally, I've always played T&T serious as Death, and the spell names never affected gameplay one way or the other. I personally think saying "Magic Missile!" is no less silly than "Take That, You Fiend!" but maybe that's just me.

I was looking through some of my old solos the other day, btw, and I did see a Danforth drawn girly-part on a couple of them... the back cover of Labyrinth has one, for example. SHOCKING! I wonder if that's what the Wikipedia writer meant? If so, I'd assume that the writer may be younger... I've noticed that stuff that isn't a blip on the radar screen of people my age (40) freaks out a lot of 20-year olds.

In any event, I'm considering opening an account just to take that line out... someone new to the game (or to the hobby) finding that article may turn away from it because of that line. Sure, it might bring a new player or two, also, but they'd be sorely disappointed when they actually got their hands on the game. I think the potential damage exceeds the potential benefit. (Roll 2d6 and add potential damage vs 2d6 plus potential benefit, DARO, higher total wins ;D )

[castiglione]

About the "offensive" spell names (yes, in one early review of T & T, I think it may have been Different Worlds but I'm not sure, they actually referred to some of the spell names being offensive - specifically Yassa Massa)...being Canadian, I never even realized why Yassa Massa was offensive. I had to go live in the US for two decades and re-read the rules to T & T for the "offensiveness" of Yassa Massa to "click".

Frankly, I had no problems at all with the "silly" spell names. As Ken St. Andre stated in an article in White Dward, it isn't as if mages unleashed their magic by yelling out: "Poor baby!" or "Hidey Hole!" I think the only exception to this rule should be "Take that you FIEND!!!!" but only because it rolls off the tongue so nicely.

There was quite a bit of "adult content" in the T & T solitaires. For a young kid just entering puberty, whose motivation for wanting to see horror films was partly because you were very likely to see girls running around topless), this was great stuff. There was some "risque" artwork (basically containing nudity) but as early as T & T solitaire #2 (DED), you could take some trollop tenderly in your arms and try to make babies with her. There was quite a lot of sex in the T & T solitaires.

Just off the top of my head, from memory:

Deathtrap Equalizer Dungeon gave you the opportunity to seduce some woman. Labyrinth allowed you to make love to Aphrodite and I think there was the possibility of you trying to rape Artemis and ending up getting some divine retribution to punish your unbridled lust. I don't recall any sex in Naked Doom except for a bit where you have a hallucination of being with your woman. City of Terrors gave you the opportunity to get to know (in the biblical sense) a vampire queen. No sex in Sorcerer Solitaire but you got to rescue a half-naked princess from a troll and it was pretty much implied that the troll's intentions for her were not altogether innocent. Sewers of Oblivion - yep, more sex. Arena of Khazan...no sex but a pretty explicit picture of Lerotrah with her rather large and perky bewbies jutting out proudly from her chest. My childhood memories of T & T were a collage of violent, random death interspersed with heroic sex with a variety of high fantasy trollops. What I find odd was that this adult content was not excised in the US and Canada but was edited out of the British versions...I guess that old stereotype ("No sex please...we're English) had a smidgeon of truth in it.

[order99]

Violent, random death+
Heroic sex=
Sword & Sorcery trope. ;D

Between the S&S lurking in the background and the humor blatantly in the Foreground, T&T definitely has a flavor all its own.