machfront
11th level Troll
Stalwart of the Trollbridge
"Let's go dark!"
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Post by machfront on Aug 9, 2009 5:25:57 GMT -5
I do indeed recall a number of folks stating as much a while back with regards to 7th ed. being quite the rush job. Though, there was plenty of time for such section in 7.5. Still, the point that such information is less useful today than before. Though, with absolute newbies, it may be moot. I dunno. I'm no marketing genius or anythin', so wadda I know?
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Hogscape
11th level Troll
Stalwart of the Trollbridge
It's not the years, it's the mileage.
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Post by Hogscape on Aug 9, 2009 8:22:22 GMT -5
Perhaps the Chaotic 8th edition will include such things. Personally I'd like to see more troll-talk style essays and less list... But that's just me.
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Post by mattyhelms on Aug 9, 2009 8:40:33 GMT -5
Perhaps the Chaotic 8th edition will include such things. Personally I'd like to see more troll-talk style essays and less list... But that's just me. Yes! My favorite "monster" section is from T&T 5. While future editions have had some interesting advances in the mechanics of monsters, that great list about all the monsters in Ken's games and how easy they are to create is just inspirational and what makes T&T stand out.
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Post by jasperpcasper on Aug 11, 2009 13:37:43 GMT -5
It's kind of a given convention amongst experienced gamers that we will, in fact, understand how to create an adventure. On the other hand, leaving this information out makes it more likely that the finished product (chaotic 8th edition, in this case) will only be an homage to the earlier editions and to the fans of the game themselves... As has been pointed out repeatedly on these boards, we need to attract new players to our ranks, and to that end, putting the adventure-making instructions back seems essential.
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Post by Toad-Killer-Dog on Aug 11, 2009 16:18:00 GMT -5
I know that this is perhaps a naive notion, but considering the compact nature of the T&T rules has anyone thought of doing an omnibus edition.
By that I mean a large bound edition that would include the "History" of T&T, beginning with the 1st edition and including the entirety of the 4th, 5th+ editions and Monsters! Monster!.
You could have the entirety of T&T ( at least the basics, I'd still love to see a "Sorcerers Apprentice" archive product ) in one reasonably sized book.
I don't know crazy?
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Post by ragnorakk on Aug 11, 2009 17:48:14 GMT -5
Man, a SA archive would certainly be something to see...
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Post by Aramis of Erak on Aug 11, 2009 21:00:29 GMT -5
Man, a SA archive would certainly be something to see... Yes, it would. I also like that omnibus edition idea..
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machfront
11th level Troll
Stalwart of the Trollbridge
"Let's go dark!"
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Post by machfront on Aug 12, 2009 4:45:17 GMT -5
Man, a SA archive would certainly be something to see... Yes, it would. I also like that omnibus edition idea.. Same here, on both counts. I think it could be done. First of all, there's no difference between editions 1-3 and UK 1st ed. is the same as the previous + the T&T Supplement. Fourth Ed. had the same material as is in UK 1st ed. So...you only need to have a 1st - 4th 'section'. Then add 5 and 7.5. So...that'd be..what? Full-sized. Something on the order of (52 + 93 + [171/2] = around 230 pages. Then have only one index, one weapons glossary and the one Trollworld chronology and then add the extra pages from the back of 5.5 and you're probably around 220 pages. Doable. But, since we want it, it's a certainty that it will never happen. Honestly, this sorta comes back to what I said in regards to having the stuff in 7.x as "Official Options". Since the core is almost exactly the same (tiny differences exist that don't really matter, and I don't think anyone would complain if one was used instead of the other) between the editions, you could honestly have, built around 4th or 5th ed. a core game with the options in greybox or in a seperate section, and with that, you'd actually still have your omnibus. You could, from one book, run 4th ed. weapon damage, specialists from 7.5 and 5th ed. missle combat. And, on top of that, it would work quite well.
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Post by ragnorakk on Aug 12, 2009 12:54:38 GMT -5
But, since we want it, it's a certainty that it will never happen. Brutal! Probably accurate Makes me want to take up book-binding...
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Post by ragnorakk on Aug 12, 2009 14:18:35 GMT -5
oh yeah! there was an original post! (geez...repentant threadjacker here...)
Rat-on-a-stick anyone?
With megadungeons and such, I've always run commerce - goblin traders vs dwarven traders, a loopy wizard who found a fount of potions and went into business - another that tended a patch of 'magic mushrooms' *wink wink* that were sold for food or potion-style effects...but I tend to think of megadungeons as allowing for a lot of spurious logic and economics...
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Post by mahrundl on Aug 12, 2009 19:07:47 GMT -5
I know that this is perhaps a naive notion, but considering the compact nature of the T&T rules has anyone thought of doing an omnibus edition. By that I mean a large bound edition that would include the "History" of T&T, beginning with the 1st edition and including the entirety of the 4th, 5th+ editions and Monsters! Monster!. You could have the entirety of T&T ( at least the basics, I'd still love to see a "Sorcerers Apprentice" archive product ) in one reasonably sized book. I don't know crazy? Crazy? Yes. My kind of crazy? You bet!! (Drools at the thought of hardback omnibus edition with matching SA archive...) In practical terms, I doubt that we'd get either 5th or 7th in the omnibus edition at present, since they are still in print but by different companies. Reprinting SA is not likely to be possible, due to difficulties with getting the copyright approvals again.
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