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Post by alkazar on May 10, 2023 2:28:49 GMT -5
Hmmm.. I kind of like TrollGodZine. It's got a ring to it. However, I think it needs an exclamation point "!" at the end.
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mosker
5th Level Troll
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Post by mosker on May 11, 2023 18:12:35 GMT -5
Given the news, maybe the path forward, the name should be...
...TrollsZine! Free and (mostly) freeform and as glorious as ever.*
(BONUS: because in the time between I began mentally composing a very long note on this subject going in very different direction and now, we can all thank Lerotrahh, our own campaign deities, and our new OBE for sparing your eyes and my time its contents. WOOT!)
*Though I confess to wanting to look at Rebellion Unplugged's magazines for ideas, guidance, ideas--hopefully to go in the same place as what was threatened in the parenthetical...
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sscrompton
4th Level Troll
One of the members of the Fellowship of the Troll. Worked on dT&T with Ken, Liz, Bear & Rick.
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Post by sscrompton on May 12, 2023 2:54:09 GMT -5
Well feel free to contact me or Ken to discuss possibilites and how we can work together. You all do an execellent job with TrollZine and I'd love to see you continue it. I keep thinkning aobut writing an article on what it was like to work for Buffalo back in the early 1980s with Rick Loomis, Liz Danforth, Mike Stackpole, Larry Ditillo, Paul O'Connor and Ugly John Carver all interacting togather almost daily. It was a special time and place - that's for sure!
Cheers!
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Post by nialldubh on May 12, 2023 4:16:45 GMT -5
Well with this new change Zanshin, you probably want to take a pause and think about the future of Trollszine.
Whether to keep it as is or change format or title, etc.
I guess you have to contact Rebellion for permission? But I not know about these things... But this fellow: Jason Kingsley seems like a person of our own like; someone who has enjoy T&T for what it is and will want to see fan-based stuff work and continue.
A combination of T&T and M!M! can work also...
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tp
3rd Level Troll
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Post by tp on May 12, 2023 5:47:53 GMT -5
Yes, I am thinking that it could now be for both T&T and M!M! potentially. Waiting for permission to use the T&T name though might take a while? If it is going to be many months maybe Trollszine 14 could be just M!M! at least officially.
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Post by alkazar on May 12, 2023 20:41:30 GMT -5
As Mosker once said: "My wild stupid, plain wrong, conspiracy theory is WS is playing the heel card so the new owner could play white knight with the fans, and thus secure better terms."
Well, there is our white knight but I don't think they are the second coming. I'm pretty certain Rebellion is the "Feller" who wanted W$ to eliminate all the fan made materials before they'd commit to buying. I think what they are planning to do is publish a monthly T&T adventure magazine in the same vein as their RPG Adventure Presents magazine which is already being published in this format. They will most likely want the fans to create and submit adventures to them for publication in the magazine. TrollZine being obvious competition, yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up. I hope I'm wrong, but until they prove me wrong I'm sticking to my decision to wait and see. In the mean time I think we should crank out a M!M! fanzine, we've been given a very generous offer I think we should take advantage of it.
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Post by nialldubh on May 13, 2023 3:53:17 GMT -5
Well I hope your wrong too Alkazar, it would be sad that they attack the Troll-Fan-world for trying to enjoy the game and give the fan-based-community FREE -joy...
But as you surmise why would WS do such a thing. Perhaps, they as a Soulless company who might think such a tactic is good business?
Therefore tear down the surrounding debris and sell the core in its perfect state without consulting Rebellion because that is want they would normally do with any merchandise...
Those of bad-manners and deceit in their soul should drown in lakes of blood and suffer eternal torment in the vast loneliness of the abyss...
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tp
3rd Level Troll
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Post by tp on May 13, 2023 5:30:48 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if Rebellion had insisted on all third party material being removed before doing a deal.
That process started a long time ago. I suspect it was WS tidying things up before they took the property to prospective buyers.
The trouble with the third party scene for T&T was it was very disorganised. Some people had contracts with the old FB, some where given a spoken go ahead and others didn't have anything.
I don't think they went about it the right way at all, but I suspect this was just to stop any future uncertainty around the IP.
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Karl
3rd Level Troll
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Post by Karl on May 13, 2023 6:39:22 GMT -5
Love the idea that the TrollZine! is a newspaper not from the Trollgod but FOR the Trollgod! The poor little trolls working like mad every night to put together the next days newspaper! Stories, articles on the game or other games, grocery lists somehow falling in and being page 9, crossword puzzles, adds for things the little Trolls wish the Trollgod would buy like deodorant. 101 Ways to make sure your Troll Helpers are happy! HINT-It's pay them 101 times. A list of things that need doing like a Front page article titled "Will anyone not take care of the Dragon making a nest on the Back Lawn of the Trollgods work cave #5? He is stealing the HOOCH
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mosker
5th Level Troll
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Post by mosker on May 13, 2023 6:51:58 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if Rebellion had insisted on all third party material being removed before doing a deal. That process started a long time ago. I suspect it was WS tidying things up before they took the property to prospective buyers. The trouble with the third party scene for T&T was it was very disorganised. Some people had contracts with the old FB, some where given a spoken go ahead and others didn't have anything. I don't think they went about it the right way at all, but I suspect this was just to stop any future uncertainty around the IP. (Underline mine) Even with DT&T, Michael Stackpole and Larry DiTillo and Liz Danforth having amazing careers beyond their work with FBI, the fallout from That Company still lingers large in Internet searches and the minds of industry writers and historians far more than at least I would have thought and certainly hoped. That said, as for this thread, how about Monsters!Meanwhile! until more is settled? (Makes note to delete or edit post)
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trolletgunnar
4th Level Troll
A Swedish player who holds the Tunnels and trolls banner high.
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Post by trolletgunnar on May 16, 2023 3:50:25 GMT -5
I was thinking. Trolls are considered monsters - right?! So do we really need to change the name of the zine? Or is anything with Troll in it Verboten?
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mosker
5th Level Troll
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Post by mosker on May 17, 2023 17:39:38 GMT -5
Well feel free to contact me or Ken to discuss possibilites and how we can work together. You all do an execellent job with TrollZine and I'd love to see you continue it. I keep thinkning aobut writing an article on what it was like to work for Buffalo back in the early 1980s with Rick Loomis, Liz Danforth, Mike Stackpole, Larry Ditillo, Paul O'Connor and Ugly John Carver all interacting togather almost daily. It was a special time and place - that's for sure! Cheers! sscrompton : Here's a question: did enough people ever fill out those those questionaires at the back of the solitaire adventures to make you all take notice of the answers? (I've got one percolating in my head for the new M!M! and eventually T&T audience that might be of use to creators if we can get enough responses...thread soliciting questions, advice to come elsewhere.)
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Post by stefanj on May 17, 2023 19:04:19 GMT -5
I was thinking. Trolls are considered monsters - right?! So do we really need to change the name of the zine? Or is anything with Troll in it Verboten? That sounds reasonable.
Hopefully Rebellion Unplugged will soon offer clear and reasonable guidelines for third-party publications.
In any case, have boilerplate ready for both games that properly credits the publisher, trademark holder, etc., and makes it clear that the 'zine is presenting new material and that it isn't challenging any rights.
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Post by johntgg on May 19, 2023 7:53:01 GMT -5
Something to consider if Rebellion Unplugged doesn't have reasonable 3rd Party policies and for whatever reason a M!M! article couldn't be written or something there is always Tunnels Perfect, a T&T retroclone. I'm still fairly new to the T&T-Verse mainly familiar with M!M! and Deluxe so I'm not entirely sure what edition it's targeting but if some shared language is needed that seems to be it's intended purpose. www.drivethrurpg.com/product/382385/Tunnels-Perfect
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Post by nialldubh on May 19, 2023 8:10:42 GMT -5
There is other options, indeed... I must say, this Ximuria world (M!M!) and cultures/Kin are probably exactly what folks are looking for, or 90% close too. Human, Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes (Garden Gnome variety, I think ) Hobbs (now, an unusual perspective of Hobb, I was slightly taken aback, but after a few seconds, it felt fine. Dull grey skin with bright red eyes, they have a bizarre look which appealed to me. Still there is nothing to stop others from reverting to the more traditional look for Hobbs, or thee auld Hobbit). This is M!M! and these Kin are monsters in their own right, right? so great. As with M!M!, there is no Talents, but Stunts are still there and a goodly list of Special abilities that help construct a characters personality and focus...
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