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Post by mgtremaine on Nov 20, 2009 11:01:56 GMT -5
I think it is a given that "that guy" will try to keep it all going. I mean that fact that he has been doing it as long as he has with the production level that he has had clear points to the fact that he is motivated with a capital M. The money can not be that good so he obviously has a deep love of the game. That's great, hopefully he will review his past actions and figured out how not to do things.... (I can't resist commenting on how cliche ""that company" run by a Hobbit Rogue" seems  hahaha.) -Mike |
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Post by koraq on Nov 20, 2009 12:09:20 GMT -5
Ok, thanks.
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Post by Branderwydd /|\ on Nov 20, 2009 15:39:22 GMT -5
machfront: while i am skeptical, i will concure that there is a possibility it is all a misunderstanding regarding the plagiarism charges. i searched unsuccessfully last night for email or other contact info for garcia. i would like to remove all doubt in this matter. as we haven't heard from hogscape on this issue yet, here is my idea....
knights of the trollbridge: i offer you this challenge in service to (troll)god and the kingdom of T&T. sally forth upon the pathways of internet, send up a hue and cry across the accumulated fora and find vince garcia and daniel horne (author and artist for 'the djinni's ring'). query them as to their involvement with knight errant "that guy" in the production of 'the djinni's power'. did they consent to having their works used - despite orders from the wizards of the coast - in the "that guy" production 'the djinni's power'? if it be found they did consent, let "that guy" be acquitted in this matter. otherwise, let it reveal "that guy" for what he is. this is my challenge. take up the gauntlet with me and let us find the truth of the matter.
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Post by quoghmyre on Nov 20, 2009 15:42:49 GMT -5
Of course he's motivated, he's got a group of great creators, giving him content and then he sells it and profits from it. What he can't get for next to nothing he just takes. He's rubbing his grubbie little hands together over this, sales have gone through the roof with people rushing to grab stuff before it's pulled.
This just makes me sick.
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Post by koraq on Nov 20, 2009 15:56:37 GMT -5
You think sales have gone through the roof? The more reason do tell DrivetruRPG and others that they ought to suspend him.
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Post by jongjungbu on Nov 20, 2009 16:01:21 GMT -5
machfront: while i am skeptical, i will concure that there is a possibility it is all a misunderstanding regarding the plagiarism charges. i searched unsuccessfully last night for email or other contact info for garcia. i would like to remove all doubt in this matter. as we haven't heard from hogscape on this issue yet, here is my idea....
knights of the trollbridge: i offer you this challenge in service to (troll)god and the kingdom of T&T. sally forth upon the pathways of internet, send up a hue and cry across the accumulated fora and find vince garcia and daniel horne (author and artist for 'the djinni's ring'). query them as to their involvement with knight errant "that guy" in the production of 'the djinni's power'. did they consent to having their works used - despite orders from the wizards of the coast - in the "that guy" production 'the djinni's power'? if it be found they did consent, let "that guy" be acquitted in this matter. otherwise, let it reveal "that guy" for what he is. this is my challenge. take up the gauntlet with me and let us find the truth of the matter. I think it best to let them ("that guy") take care of their own matters, rather than more and more people digging into the mess and possibly making matters worse than they are. He's already taken down the content from the OP website. |
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Post by Branderwydd /|\ on Nov 20, 2009 16:13:12 GMT -5
I think it best to let them ("that guy") take care of their own matters, rather than more and more people digging into the mess and possibly making matters worse than they are. He's already taken down the content from the OP website.
as you will. i publically addressed this issue here, so i will attempt to see the matter through and post the results one way or another. anyone who feels likewise compelled and has contact info, please pass it along. if you feel otherwise, disregard my posts.
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Post by quoghmyre on Nov 20, 2009 16:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by ragnorakk on Nov 20, 2009 16:35:01 GMT -5
knights of the trollbridge: i offer you this challenge in service to (troll)god and the kingdom of T&T. sally forth upon the pathways of internet, send up a hue and cry across the accumulated fora and find vince garcia and daniel horne (author and artist for 'the djinni's ring'). query them as to their involvement with knight errant "that guy" in the production of 'the djinni's power'. did they consent to having their works used - despite orders from the wizards of the coast - in the "that guy" production 'the djinni's power'? if it be found they did consent, let "that guy" be acquitted in this matter. otherwise, let it reveal "that guy" for what he is. this is my challenge. take up the gauntlet with me and let us find the truth of the matter. Initially I'm inclined to consider it a foregone conclusion that they were not aware... but I'm totally in the peanut gallery on these matters. But I don't think it's a bad idea to seek out contact with Garcia and Horne - they may or may not have interest. I think that the RPG.net thread is probably the place to do so - it is the largest and most public resource with some focus currently on the subject. |
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Post by Branderwydd /|\ on Nov 20, 2009 17:58:38 GMT -5
i've scanned some pages for comparative purposes. however, they are too large to attach. can someone offer some technical assistance? 
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Post by machfront on Nov 20, 2009 18:13:22 GMT -5
First,
It seems it's now taboo to even discuss this matter, however gentlemanly (which is how it had been discussed, though the discussion was slight if that) on Trollhalla.
You can bury your head in the sand and still get your ass kicked.
So...go right ahead.
Ignoring it and hoping for it to blow over so it can be 'business as usual' is pretty misguided to say the least.
I'd love for there to be a company with lots and lots of T&T products and support with infectious excitement, too. But I won't allow a brazen crook to smile, shake my hand with another hand picking my pocket and then, afterwards to slap me across the face. Nope. Sorry.
How easily we forget the other previous transgressions. As brought up by both lostheretic and quoghmyre, remember the Mazes & Monsters mess.
When will he take your stuff and use it in a way you don't agree with, and then he says to you as he did to Tom Loney (Kopfy) on Trollhalla the days before the art debacle began, 'sorry, but it's my property' (not an exact quote, but close)?
Were I any of you, having creative campaign, monster, spell or adventure ideas or full adventures and solos, I'd not send such material to OP. I mean...you guys really honestly want him to profit on your work, even as he steals others' creative efforts?!?
I've already given him chance after chance. I've already given him the benefit of the doubt on a handful of occasions and been burned.
How many more times will you place your hand on the stove?
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Post by jongjungbu on Nov 20, 2009 18:15:17 GMT -5
knights of the trollbridge: i offer you this challenge in service to (troll)god and the kingdom of T&T. sally forth upon the pathways of internet, send up a hue and cry across the accumulated fora and find vince garcia and daniel horne (author and artist for 'the djinni's ring'). query them as to their involvement with knight errant "that guy" in the production of 'the djinni's power'. did they consent to having their works used - despite orders from the wizards of the coast - in the "that guy" production 'the djinni's power'? if it be found they did consent, let "that guy" be acquitted in this matter. otherwise, let it reveal "that guy" for what he is. this is my challenge. take up the gauntlet with me and let us find the truth of the matter. Initially I'm inclined to consider it a foregone conclusion that they were not aware... but I'm totally in the peanut gallery on these matters. But I don't think it's a bad idea to seek out contact with Garcia and Horne - they may or may not have interest. I think that the RPG.net thread is probably the place to do so - it is the largest and most public resource with some focus currently on the subject. Yeah, I'm in the peanut gallery too. Unless it's my own work, then what would I accomplish by going the extra mile? Really, it would look more like a vendetta. And to what end? The end of "that guy" or "that company"? Is that what the goal is of trying to pull out every straw? Because, ultimately, it looks like "that guy" is aware NOW, regardless of if he was aware before. Unless you want these people to be contacted so that they could possibly sue OP, and therefore you will get some satisfaction that he is being punished. That is how it looks to me. I'm indifferent about the situation, but I really think we should put some of that negative energy toward promoting a legit side of T&T work. That is my take on it. As opposed to going through this public defamation and lynching. |
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Post by machfront on Nov 20, 2009 18:17:08 GMT -5
branderwyyd,
How large are they (pixel x pixel)? Is that why they're "too large to attach"? Or is it overall file size?
You could, as long as the resultant images are still large enough to easily view for the purpose here, open the images with the free program Paint.NET, click "image" and choose "resize" and you can choose the pixel size.
Of course, your scanner may have defaulted to a huge impractical size (mine always does) like 300dpi. Unless you meant to, you may wanna check that and set it at 200 or 150 before the scanning.
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Post by machfront on Nov 20, 2009 18:22:24 GMT -5
Unless you want these people to be contacted so that they could possibly sue OP, and therefore you will get some satisfaction that he is being punished. That is how it looks to me. If someone stole your stuff and was profiting from it, wouldn't you like someone who knew to make you aware? I understand what you're saying, but it isn't about a vendetta or wishing someone ill. Rather, it's letting someone know that someone else is stealing the fruits of their creative efforts. But really, step one is contacting them to find out whether it is being taken or not. If not, cool. If so, then now the original artist/writer knows. |
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Post by jongjungbu on Nov 20, 2009 18:42:45 GMT -5
Right. I would want to know. And want it stop sure. It has stopped or will be as far as I'm aware. So the next step would be compensation I suppose. But I don't think "that guy" is loaded or anything. But I get your point. I just think it looks more like a witch hunt with billboards and global telecasts, than just casually trying to contact some artists.
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hahaha.)
