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sonofthor
Monsters! Monsters!
« Thread Started on Jul 19, 2010, 9:10am »
Has anyone tried it? Is it ever going to be remade?
I suppose you could just use T&T rules and play a monster game, but I'd love to check out the original.
dekh
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #1 on Jul 19, 2010, 9:32am »
Funnily enough...
Ken and Rick are busy discussing republishing Monsters! Monsters!
Rick wants to do a limited edition print run in time for GenCon and then release a PDF for download.
Happy times ahead... for the Monsters at least ...time for Delver Destruction
mgtremaine
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #2 on Jul 19, 2010, 9:55am »
Interesting news thanks Dekh!
-Mike
ProfGremlin
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #3 on Jul 19, 2010, 10:29am »
Jul 19, 2010, 9:32am, dekh wrote:
Great to hear it. Doubly great to hear that a pdf is being seriously considered.
My, I'll bet you monsters lead interesting lives...
sonofthor
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #4 on Jul 19, 2010, 11:51am »
Man, that would be great! I wish I could make it to GenCon!
I did this little post on my blog about using the Monsters! Monsters! idea for D&D. Ken was nice enough to post it on the walla!
http://maximumrockroleplaying.blogspot.c....lving-from.html
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #5 on Jul 19, 2010, 11:13pm »
Frankly, I didn't see much of a point for Monsters! Monsters! given that the standard T&T rules gave players the options to play "monster" types. The earlier editions (up to the 4th edition) even gave guidelines for how monster type characters should be awarded EP's. However, with that being said, a lot of games based on the same base system were published by other game companies so I guess I shouldn't object to Monsters! Monsters! too much.
machfront
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #6 on Jul 20, 2010, 4:02am »
That is some interesting news. Let's hope it bodes well for T&T 5th ed. (or 5.5 at least) as well.
Jul 19, 2010, 10:29am, ProfGremlin wrote:
Gossamer!!!
Or, as he was known in that one, and many later 'toons, Rudolph.
That would be an interestingly disturbing monster PC.
zanshin
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #7 on Jul 20, 2010, 4:30am »
I think Monsters!Monsters! would have the benefit of a different flavour to it. Agreed T&T provides you with the rules you need, M!M! would be monster fluff rather than crunch.
There is a great (IMO) scenario where you play Trolls coming in TZ 3 - Bludgeons and Flagons by Justin Williams aka Toad-Killer-Dog. That has a real M!M! flavour to it.
Aramis of Erak
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #8 on Jul 20, 2010, 11:02pm »
M!M! also has special powers for monster races, powers not included in 5 nor 7 core rules.
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #9 on Jul 20, 2010, 11:11pm »
Jul 20, 2010, 11:02pm, Aramis of Erak wrote:
Yes, that is true.
Also, M!M! has some excellent examples of non-standard combat that should have probably been put into the T&T 5e rules; the 5e rules combat examples are depressingly pedestrian and don't really show the shear awesome power of the saving roll system when coupled with the ingeniously mind blowing bucket of dice combat system. How can anyone read the M!M! example of the black hobbit grabbing a handful of ogre stomach hair in one hand, holding on for dear life and getting stabby with the other hand and say that T&T combat is just a bunch of dice rolling?
machfront
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« July 23, 2010 at 5:50am »
According to a recent post on his Flying Buffalo Facebook page, Rick will indeed have 50 copies of the newly printed Monsters! Monsters! for GenCon.
He said if he sells out of them, he'll print more, and if not, he'll put the remainder up for sale at the website.
Also...he replied that, yes, he'll soon be offering pdfs!
order99
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #11 on Jul 22, 2010, 9:57pm »
Now look what you made me do Machfront, I just drooled all over a perfectly good keyboard....
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #12 on Jul 22, 2010, 11:34pm »
By newly printed, are these just newly printed copies of the 2nd edition or a new edition?!?!
I take back everything I said about Monsters! Monsters!
I wants it! I wants it! Precioussssss!!!!
machfront
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #13 Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32am »
Jul 22, 2010, 11:34pm, castiglione wrote:
I'd assume the former.
Here's what he wrote on the FB page:
"I've decided to reprint the Original Monsters! Monsters! (Role playing game where you play the monsters instead of the heroes). I'll have copies at Gencon in two weeks."
and then in response to my question regarding pdfs of it and T&T 5th:
"Well, for sure if I have any left over after Gencon, I'll be selling them from my webpage. Hmm. I guess if I sell all 50 at Gencon, then obviously I'll have to print more. And if I don't, then I'll have some to "get rid of" from the webpage. And yes, I plan to sell pdfs soon."
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #14 Jul 23, 2010 at 9:28am »
I'd be interested to see what the reprints are like, in terms of print quality. I wasn't very happy with the way 5.5e came out, particularly the way Liz Danforth's art in Buffalo Castle got absolutely butchered by the resolution they used to scan it. I'd also be interested if this were a straight reprint or whether it incorporates a lot of extra stuff like 5.5e.
mgtremaine
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #15 Jul 23, 2010 at 10:52am »
Today at 4:32am, machfront wrote:
Muha muha muhahahahahahha ;p
-Mike
PS - Mach just for you I have shown great restraint in not posting images of T&T 5th and SA running in iBooks on my iPad
dekh
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #16 Jul 23, 2010 at 1:17pm »
Today at 10:52am, mgtremaine wrote:
SA?
ProfGremlin
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #17 Jul 23, 2010 at 3:38pm »
Today at 1:17pm, dekh wrote:
I believe mgtremaine is referring to pdf'ed copies of Sorcerer's Apprentice. I think that was mentioned in another thread around here somewhere...
sonofthor
Monsters! Monsters!
« Thread Started on Jul 19, 2010, 9:10am »
Has anyone tried it? Is it ever going to be remade?
I suppose you could just use T&T rules and play a monster game, but I'd love to check out the original.
dekh
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #1 on Jul 19, 2010, 9:32am »
Funnily enough...
Ken and Rick are busy discussing republishing Monsters! Monsters!
Rick wants to do a limited edition print run in time for GenCon and then release a PDF for download.
Happy times ahead... for the Monsters at least ...time for Delver Destruction
mgtremaine
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #2 on Jul 19, 2010, 9:55am »
Interesting news thanks Dekh!
-Mike
ProfGremlin
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #3 on Jul 19, 2010, 10:29am »
Jul 19, 2010, 9:32am, dekh wrote:
Ken and Rick are busy discussing republishing Monsters! Monsters!
Great to hear it. Doubly great to hear that a pdf is being seriously considered.
My, I'll bet you monsters lead interesting lives...
sonofthor
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #4 on Jul 19, 2010, 11:51am »
Man, that would be great! I wish I could make it to GenCon!
I did this little post on my blog about using the Monsters! Monsters! idea for D&D. Ken was nice enough to post it on the walla!
http://maximumrockroleplaying.blogspot.c....lving-from.html
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #5 on Jul 19, 2010, 11:13pm »
Frankly, I didn't see much of a point for Monsters! Monsters! given that the standard T&T rules gave players the options to play "monster" types. The earlier editions (up to the 4th edition) even gave guidelines for how monster type characters should be awarded EP's. However, with that being said, a lot of games based on the same base system were published by other game companies so I guess I shouldn't object to Monsters! Monsters! too much.
machfront
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #6 on Jul 20, 2010, 4:02am »
That is some interesting news. Let's hope it bodes well for T&T 5th ed. (or 5.5 at least) as well.
Jul 19, 2010, 10:29am, ProfGremlin wrote:
Gossamer!!!
Or, as he was known in that one, and many later 'toons, Rudolph.
That would be an interestingly disturbing monster PC.
zanshin
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #7 on Jul 20, 2010, 4:30am »
I think Monsters!Monsters! would have the benefit of a different flavour to it. Agreed T&T provides you with the rules you need, M!M! would be monster fluff rather than crunch.
There is a great (IMO) scenario where you play Trolls coming in TZ 3 - Bludgeons and Flagons by Justin Williams aka Toad-Killer-Dog. That has a real M!M! flavour to it.
Aramis of Erak
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #8 on Jul 20, 2010, 11:02pm »
M!M! also has special powers for monster races, powers not included in 5 nor 7 core rules.
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #9 on Jul 20, 2010, 11:11pm »
Jul 20, 2010, 11:02pm, Aramis of Erak wrote:
M!M! also has special powers for monster races, powers not included in 5 nor 7 core rules.
Yes, that is true.
Also, M!M! has some excellent examples of non-standard combat that should have probably been put into the T&T 5e rules; the 5e rules combat examples are depressingly pedestrian and don't really show the shear awesome power of the saving roll system when coupled with the ingeniously mind blowing bucket of dice combat system. How can anyone read the M!M! example of the black hobbit grabbing a handful of ogre stomach hair in one hand, holding on for dear life and getting stabby with the other hand and say that T&T combat is just a bunch of dice rolling?
machfront
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« July 23, 2010 at 5:50am »
According to a recent post on his Flying Buffalo Facebook page, Rick will indeed have 50 copies of the newly printed Monsters! Monsters! for GenCon.
He said if he sells out of them, he'll print more, and if not, he'll put the remainder up for sale at the website.
Also...he replied that, yes, he'll soon be offering pdfs!
order99
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #11 on Jul 22, 2010, 9:57pm »
Now look what you made me do Machfront, I just drooled all over a perfectly good keyboard....
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #12 on Jul 22, 2010, 11:34pm »
By newly printed, are these just newly printed copies of the 2nd edition or a new edition?!?!
I take back everything I said about Monsters! Monsters!
I wants it! I wants it! Precioussssss!!!!
machfront
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #13 Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32am »
Jul 22, 2010, 11:34pm, castiglione wrote:
By newly printed, are these just newly printed copies of the 2nd edition or a new edition?!?!
I'd assume the former.
Here's what he wrote on the FB page:
"I've decided to reprint the Original Monsters! Monsters! (Role playing game where you play the monsters instead of the heroes). I'll have copies at Gencon in two weeks."
and then in response to my question regarding pdfs of it and T&T 5th:
"Well, for sure if I have any left over after Gencon, I'll be selling them from my webpage. Hmm. I guess if I sell all 50 at Gencon, then obviously I'll have to print more. And if I don't, then I'll have some to "get rid of" from the webpage. And yes, I plan to sell pdfs soon."
castiglione
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #14 Jul 23, 2010 at 9:28am »
I'd be interested to see what the reprints are like, in terms of print quality. I wasn't very happy with the way 5.5e came out, particularly the way Liz Danforth's art in Buffalo Castle got absolutely butchered by the resolution they used to scan it. I'd also be interested if this were a straight reprint or whether it incorporates a lot of extra stuff like 5.5e.
mgtremaine
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #15 Jul 23, 2010 at 10:52am »
Today at 4:32am, machfront wrote:
And yes, I plan to sell pdfs soon."
Muha muha muhahahahahahha ;p
-Mike
PS - Mach just for you I have shown great restraint in not posting images of T&T 5th and SA running in iBooks on my iPad
dekh
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #16 Jul 23, 2010 at 1:17pm »
Today at 10:52am, mgtremaine wrote:
SA
SA?
ProfGremlin
Re: Monsters! Monsters!
« Reply #17 Jul 23, 2010 at 3:38pm »
Today at 1:17pm, dekh wrote:
SA?
I believe mgtremaine is referring to pdf'ed copies of Sorcerer's Apprentice. I think that was mentioned in another thread around here somewhere...
