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Post by mahrundl on Aug 25, 2008 15:31:01 GMT -5
Thanks great work, gamepunk26! Have an Exalt for your efforts!
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Post by Mhegrrrim Skulltosser on Aug 25, 2008 22:13:58 GMT -5
Oh, I'd love to meet all the folks. I'd love to play T&T with long-time T&T players. I don't know if my phobia of flying will allow that. Or my wallet. Yeah, getting over a fear of flying is easier than money issues. Getting there is 80% the budget. The hotel has a decent minifridge and microwave. Well, maybe someone should present Rick with a new website design and see what he thinks... Somedays Rick surprises me.
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order99
7th Level Troll
Coffee-fueled Carrion That Walks Like a Man
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Post by order99 on Aug 25, 2008 23:42:29 GMT -5
I myself have no fear of flying, but money's awful tight...maybe in a year or two. And trust me, you DON'T want the drugs i'm currently on-a lethal combination of my A+ Certification Guide( IQ SR Lvl 3) my Classes (Con SR Lvl 1) and the guts of several homeade computers(MR=44). Fortunately my DM at New Horizons has supplied me with a trusty set of tools (2D+1, +1D vs. Electronics) a sturdy Backpack full of Weighty Tomes(AR=2) and the promise of Career Placement (mucho AP and GP!!!) should I survive... If it wasn't for the restorative powers of COFFEE though, i'd never have gotten this fa- (It is dark. Order99 is eaten by a Grue.) @^#&*+*%#@%!!!! AGAIN?!?!!! (Removes Power Supply from Laptop) (Breaks Power Supply) (Rolls 42 on Con save. Order99 takes 2 hits Electric.) (Grue rolls 14 on Con save. Grue takes 31 hits Electric.) (Attacks Grue from within with Flat-head Screwdriver. Grue takes 14 hits Edged.) (Grue attacks Order99. Grue claws own belly for 21 hits Edged. Order99 takes 5 hits Edged.) (Grue is dead. AP=425. GP=22.) (Drinks Potion of Coffee) ....you know, this Computer Training might just come in handy after all-the info in Chapter Two definitely swung the battle my way this time! MMmmmm, Dark Vienna Roast with Cinnamon really goes well with Grue Cranium Stew, gotta remember that combination... I'll take this discussion up later folks, I gotta scrounge up an effin' Flashlight or a Lamp or something here-i'm not failing my Exams just because of effin' Random Encounters, no way... (heads to Town Portal) ...'never be a PC Tech' THEY said...'Zombies limited to IQ 3' THEY said...well they didn't have COFFEE BACK THEN DID THEY THEY CAN KISS MY COLD ROTTING- (Save Game? Y/N)
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Post by gamepunk26 on Aug 26, 2008 2:00:48 GMT -5
My first exalt. /weep tears of joy
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Post by mahrundl on Aug 26, 2008 8:56:37 GMT -5
Actually, your second - 'Karma: 2'
But well deserved, in any case.
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Post by skathros on Aug 26, 2008 21:08:41 GMT -5
Now, no one likes to pregnant dog more than I, but honestly, there are some things i'm really grateful for on the T&T front. First off, the fact that FDP took a chance on putting out 7E and the 7.5 is really cool. Sure, I hate the binding, hated the tin (the new box rocks!), but there's something to be said about a company who'll take a chance on a new edition of an old game (only 1 older).For that fact alone, i'll stiffle my disgust with the spiral binding and gladly support FDP's T&T endevors. Another thing that's really cool is the fact that Ken's still around and (more importantly) still interested in his game. All in all, it's not a bad time to be a T&T fan. Could things be better? You bet! But it's not all that bad...well...except for the spiral binding
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Post by Mhegrrrim Skulltosser on Aug 26, 2008 22:01:24 GMT -5
Order99, you made me laugh. I had to exalt you! Very nice hardware combat.
I've been engaged in dangerous activity again. I've been thinking. Specifically, about what to say when asked, "Which version of T&T should I buy? What's the difference?"
As a result my answer changed from just "Buy 7ed."
Each version expands on earlier rules. There are plenty of copies of 5ed still available from Flying Buffalo. There is the new 7.5ed available from Fiery Dragon. Both are available in boxsets. If you like letter-sized boxsets buy 5ed. If you like smaller notepad-sized boxsets buy 7.5ed.
Both rules are compatible and people have played entire adventures with a mix of 5ed and 7ed characters.
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order99
7th Level Troll
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Post by order99 on Aug 27, 2008 0:20:40 GMT -5
(lights Torch.) (turns on Flashlight.) (activates BAT-SIGNAL)
Okay, where were we?
I agree that there's a bit of confusion on Editions, and I think that's where the problem lies-
Editions 1 through 4 are virtually identical-the Armor goes from Ablative to Persistant and a few very minor Spell description differences, but it's the same game.
Edition 5 gets a facelift (an extra Die on all weapons, Speed stat, a few spell clarifications, slight difference in MR behavior, plus a few Optional rules in 5.5)
Edition 6 gets Arcane and a few tweaks.
Edition 7 though-Kremm and Kremm resistance, completely different Advancement scheme, Speed Adds in combat...it's still T&T, but now there's a bit wider chasm between 5th and 7th than between earlier Editions(I actually have to make an effort to keep up with 7E posts instead of just adding a Die to my Combat estimates for example). It's not nearly as bad as the AD&D 2nd to D&D 3rd of course...
Then there's the fact that 5th is available at FBI, 7th from Fiery Dragon, 1st, 4th and 6th (plus many original variants ) from "that guy"'s site...I like T&T, the more the merrier, but if I was new to this game i'd be somewhat adrift!
Considering the above, i'd advise:
All Editions be advertised by "that guy". He's done a great deal more to boost T&T than FD and FBI combined lately. If "that guy" was in charge of the Catalog it would be far easier to find everything in one place.FBI and FD outsource the work to Mr. "that guy" for a modest cut (while still advertising on thier own sites for maximum coverage and adding Links to Hobbit Lands AND the Trollbridge).
Said products could be subdivided into categories and advertised accordingly-
1) 5.5 Edition. Introductory, fast-playing Gold standard. Think D&D Compendium (minus errors). 2) 7th Edition. Advanced, extra rules, steeper learning curve and different feel. Think AD&D 1st . 3) 1st, 3rd, 4th Editions. Cheaper, still very fun and even faster (shorter books).Old School play. Think OD&D and Holmes. 4) Variants and Houserules. 6th Edition, Power Trip, MS&PE, Gamma-Trollworld and Houserule books. Think Unearthed Arcana, the AD&D 2nd Class Manuals, etc.
I think a clear and concise Marketing plan, combined with consolidation of stores and lots of Links from the site(this Forum, Hobgoblin's Tavern, Trollhalla etc etc) would really help the new players/customers get thier footing. I don't think having multiple Editions is a problem of themselves( look at OSRIC and LL vs. RPGNow D&D PDFs and older Edition Ebay sales)-I DO think that having all T&T-related products in one place would help things though, especially if the other two sites aided in advertising Hobbit Lands via Banner and Link.
(Order99 suffers 4 pts IQ drain.)
Gaaah, out of COFFEE again...heading off to bed, I get to build a PC from scratch tomorrow in class!
(opens Town Portal)
(Save Game? Y/N)
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koraq
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Post by koraq on Aug 27, 2008 7:48:23 GMT -5
"that guy" for President! (no, really!)
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order99
7th Level Troll
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Post by order99 on Aug 27, 2008 10:16:14 GMT -5
Or at least the Press Secretary.
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machfront
11th level Troll
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"Let's go dark!"
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Post by machfront on Aug 27, 2008 12:30:43 GMT -5
Heck yeah! I was just thinking.... (as I was blowing more money on Amazon and at Noble Knight Games on more T&T,Savage Worlds, C&C and Hack-n-Slash stuff)... Maybe... maybe "that company" will inherit the printing licence one day. Maybe. If so.... It would be certain that all editions would remain in print, only with the recent edition (whatever it would be by then) at the forefront. That would be sweet.
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Post by skathros on Aug 27, 2008 16:38:54 GMT -5
Maybe... maybe "that company" will inherit the printing licence one day. Maybe. If so.... It would be certain that all editions would remain in print, only with the recent edition (whatever it would be by then) at the forefront. I was about to post the exact same thing. Mind you, I would have added that only 7.5 should receive continued support, seeing as how it is Ken's latest vision of T&T (Kremm resistance and all ) T&T and Savage Worlds, , machfront ? Good taste in RPGs
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Post by Mhegrrrim Skulltosser on Aug 27, 2008 23:24:37 GMT -5
Well gamepunk26, concider yourself Exalted for your tireless efforts. It is pretty cool that Rick made time to play. I heard him say recently, "The problem with making your hobby a business is you have no time for your hobby." Or something very close to that.
I'm impressed you make so much time for conventions. Makes me feel even more out of it.
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machfront
11th level Troll
Stalwart of the Trollbridge
"Let's go dark!"
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Post by machfront on Aug 28, 2008 3:51:23 GMT -5
Maybe... maybe "that company" will inherit the printing licence one day. Maybe. If so.... It would be certain that all editions would remain in print, only with the recent edition (whatever it would be by then) at the forefront. I was about to post the exact same thing. Mind you, I would have added that only 7.5 should receive continued support, seeing as how it is Ken's latest vision of T&T (Kremm resistance and all ) T&T and Savage Worlds, , machfront ? Good taste in RPGs Interesting. Even considering what fans like us have "gone through" over the years with regards to B/X and Mentzer/RC D&D, you'd still want to cease support for 5th? I mean, I understand the intent, but it seems odd. Then again, it's not as if it would be all that difficult to convert a 7th adventure to 5th. And thank you, sir. Yeah, me and SW have a love-hate relationship. It tries to tell me how fast it is and I know it usually is, but then it cheats on me with her whole weird combat/shaken/soak thing, then we don't speak for months.
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Post by skathros on Aug 28, 2008 9:54:07 GMT -5
Interesting. Even considering what fans like us have gone through over the years with regards to B/X and Mentzer/RC D&D, you'd still want to cease support for 5th? I mean, I understand the intent, but it seems odd. Then again, it's not as if it would be all that difficult to convert a 7th adventure to 5th. I simply figure that with limited support spread over 3 in-print editions, it might be better to pool the T&T resources towards one focused edition. Focus on the latest and back it up with all you got.
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