dungeondevil
3rd Level Troll
Give me grain and I'll give you guns!
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Post by dungeondevil on Aug 28, 2024 19:37:50 GMT -5
Between Kant and Hegel, I'd rather read Nietzsche or Schopenhauer! Socrates, as a veteran of the Peloponessian War, might rate a high MR. And don't knock the French: both Sartre and Camus served in the Resistance. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfduUFF_i1A Monty Python Philosophy Football Fun fact: Schopemhauer was a talented flute player, and Nietzsche exchanged letters with, among others, Strindberg, who did not understand that N was becoming more insane due to various diseases, including syphilis. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, eh?
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dungeondevil
3rd Level Troll
Give me grain and I'll give you guns!
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Post by dungeondevil on Aug 28, 2024 19:41:53 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfduUFF_i1A Monty Python Philosophy Football Fun fact: Schopemhauer was a talented flute player, and Nietzsche exchanged letters with, among others, Strindberg, who did not understand that N was becoming more insane due to various diseases, including syphilis. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, eh? And Strindberg did write The Stronger, didn't he .
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trolletgunnar
4th Level Troll
A Swedish player who holds the Tunnels and trolls banner high.
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Post by trolletgunnar on Aug 29, 2024 7:54:28 GMT -5
What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, eh? And Strindberg did write The Stronger, didn't he .
And what was fun was that Strindberg didn't understand that N. was sick; he just thought that he wrote more and more intriguing letters. And yes Strindberg wrote "Den starkare" or the Stronger.
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Post by gringnr on Sept 3, 2024 9:24:25 GMT -5
Well, maybe I'm just feeling nostalgic. But I gotta say, shutting the door on Trollworld seems a huge mistake. I like it. I don't hate the idea of counting successes on the face of it, but I learned a l9ng tike ago with T&T to stop worrying and love the system, so I don't really see the need for the change.
I don't mean to wax negative. I'll definitely give th3 new version a fair shake. But this has definitely moved me from my previous stance of "whatever comes out will be a day one purchase."
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sscrompton
4th Level Troll
One of the members of the Fellowship of the Troll. Worked on dT&T with Ken, Liz, Bear & Rick.
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Post by sscrompton on Sept 4, 2024 0:38:26 GMT -5
I'm surprised they aren't going t use Trollworld. But we'll see how it develops. As they create new adventures, they might strat introducing some of the Trollworld locations into the world they have set up. But again that is just a guess on my part.
Steve
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Post by nialldubh on Sept 4, 2024 2:41:57 GMT -5
Yes, it is a well known establish format, I would have hoped they would have continued with Trollworld (it got history).
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trolletgunnar
4th Level Troll
A Swedish player who holds the Tunnels and trolls banner high.
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Post by trolletgunnar on Sept 4, 2024 3:33:11 GMT -5
Maybe they will leave it open to the GM, that is, that they will present rules without a set world, which I do not have a problem with, although I like Trollworld, and keeping it would have been fine with me also.
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Post by houndle on Sept 4, 2024 3:53:18 GMT -5
Trollworld feels like a "real" place in that it has grown up over time. I don't imagine that places like the Labyrinth were originally intended to be in the same space as (for instance) Buffalo Castle, but somehow it all seems to fit together.
Difficult to find the right mix to suit everyone. Too much campaign background and you stifle creativity. Not enough and you risk anarchy.
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dungeondevil
3rd Level Troll
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Post by dungeondevil on Sept 4, 2024 4:36:47 GMT -5
Trollworld feels like a "real" place in that it has grown up over time. I don't imagine that places like the Labyrinth were originally intended to be in the same space as (for instance) Buffalo Castle, but somehow it all seems to fit together. Difficult to find the right mix to suit everyone. Too much campaign background and you stifle creativity. Not enough and you risk anarchy. You say that as if anarchy is bad.
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Post by nialldubh on Sept 4, 2024 4:57:20 GMT -5
Maybe they will leave it open to the GM, that is, that they will present rules without a set world, which I do not have a problem with, although I like Trollworld, and keeping it would have been fine with me also. Rules separate, but a Campaign book on Trollworld seems just?
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dungeondevil
3rd Level Troll
Give me grain and I'll give you guns!
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Post by dungeondevil on Sept 5, 2024 9:00:29 GMT -5
Maybe they will leave it open to the GM, that is, that they will present rules without a set world, which I do not have a problem with, although I like Trollworld, and keeping it would have been fine with me also. Rules separate, but a Campaign book on Trollworld seems just? Shortly after buying the Deluxe tome, I became captivated by it: they are a wonderful set of rules (sadly lacking the necessary Spite probability tables, of course ), but I also pointed out that the Trollworld setting ought to be a separate supplementary volume, and not bundled with the Core Rules. YMMV.
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trolletgunnar
4th Level Troll
A Swedish player who holds the Tunnels and trolls banner high.
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Post by trolletgunnar on Sept 5, 2024 9:47:22 GMT -5
Maybe they will leave it open to the GM, that is, that they will present rules without a set world, which I do not have a problem with, although I like Trollworld, and keeping it would have been fine with me also. Rules separate, but a Campaign book on Trollworld seems just? The French version of t&t has a separate book for Trollworld; I haven't read it, but I am guessing that it is a translated version of the material that appears in the Deluxe book.
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trolletgunnar
4th Level Troll
A Swedish player who holds the Tunnels and trolls banner high.
Posts: 451
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Post by trolletgunnar on Sept 5, 2024 9:49:50 GMT -5
Rules separate, but a Campaign book on Trollworld seems just? Shortly after buying the Deluxe tome, I became captivated by it: they are a wonderful set of rules (sadly lacking the necessary Spite probability tables, of course ), but I also pointed out that the Trollworld setting ought to be a separate supplementary volume, and not bundled with the Core Rules. YMMV. Yes, that would have been better, to keep the Trollworld separate. But the rules section is very well written! As I wrote in my response to Niel, in the French version of t&t, the Trollworld material is separate.
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Post by mrballista on Sept 5, 2024 11:08:39 GMT -5
I'm still hopeful about the Rebellion version - they own 2000AD which while long past it's heyday at least shows Rebellion are people who appreciate the era when it was (and as was T&T of course). Plus they've done a sterling job reissuing classic British comics like Battle from the same time period, and Jason Kingsley is a massive medieval nerd.
I'm not bothered by the loss of Trollworld. I never used it as a setting and the 5th ed which I love never made much of anything other than a very vaguely implied setting. No coincidence, I feel, that Ken wrote an article in White Dwarf back in the day called A World Of Your Own in which he encouraged T&T gamers to throw out anything they didn't like and replace it with their own ideas - an approach I've always favoured.
I do hope that they produce something "cheap and cheerful" in keeping with classic T&T's low page count/pamphlet style everyman approach and avoid the temptation to publich the game in big expensive hardback splat books - such would not be in keeping with T&T's DIY ethos, IMO and YMMV of course.
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Post by nialldubh on Sept 5, 2024 11:25:56 GMT -5
Thing about changing things to suit self, is the that if various people come together to play in a known world, they can relate to each other basing it on: for example: Trollworld, not the individual interpretation of each person playing at the table? To be honest, I never really knew Trollworld till a couple of years back, but I remember playing a small solo from one of the 'Sorcerer's Apprentice,' of a walk through Khazan, four decades ago. I had never read any lore on the world, and the imagery created in my head was of an Arabic town, whitewashed plastered walls, flat-roofs and bulbous towers. So, it just proves having some set of structure to a world helps!
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